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Old Yesterday, 21:29   #1231
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

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That's how Brexit has been redefined after the fact. You know this as well as I do, I fail to see the value in perpetuating the myth. Especially as it's broadly irrelevant - the EU won't budge because it protects the integrity of the Single Market.
So what was Brexit all about then? It is the EU inventing things to suit their agenda. EG "Integrity of the Single Market".
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That's how Brexit has been redefined after the fact. You know this as well as I do, I fail to see the value in perpetuating the myth. Especially as it's broadly irrelevant - the EU won't budge because it protects the integrity of the Single Market.
No no,

I recall everything before the fact. Which is why I voted remain.

Those 3no. Results of Brexit were front and centre, and to say otherwise is disingenuous to be kind, and an outright lie to be less kind.
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Re: PM Boris forms a government

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So what was Brexit all about then? It is the EU inventing things to suit their agenda. EG "Integrity of the Single Market".
Just as we don't want uncontrolled freedom of movement (people) the EU don't want uncontrolled freedom of movement (goods and services) streaming in from a non-EU member state (for example, chlorinated chicken). That means border controls. Makes sense, no?
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I'm surprised that none of these truthtwisters haven't yert claimed that we're all gonna die!
You're twisting the truth, it was the imperial college London that released a study in January that claimed up to 12000 extra deaths a year could/would result from leaving, presumably though they're all old, ill and or poor so no one cares about them, no brexit martyr statue, no horst wessel lied for them

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We need to leave, with a deal that respects what we were there led would happen and if you can’ Remember it was:

- leave the Single Market
- leave the Customs Union
- leave the ECJ

As a minimum.


If this subversion of democracy was being undertaken in Central America, Africa or asia we’d be denouncing them as oppressive rogue states governed by despots.

I am sick of the bullshiite, I was a remainer....but this process has turned me into the most hardened leaver.

Just do as you’re Fff’n told.
From the moment Dave opened his mouth this whole debacle is something that wouldn't look out of place in central America, Donny is even cosying up to us and we know how much he loves an unelected despot and I think it's you who can't remember, didn't ending freedom of movement get into that list?
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You're twisting the truth, it was the imperial college London that released a study in January that claimed up to 12000 extra deaths a year could/would result from leaving, presumably though they're all old, ill and or poor so no one cares about them, no brexit martyr statue, no horst wessel lied for them



From the moment Dave opened his mouth this whole debacle is something that wouldn't look out of place in central America, Donny is even cosying up to us and we know how much he loves an unelected despot and I think it's you who can't remember, didn't ending freedom of movement get into that list?
You’re right it did and i’m More than happy for it to stay,

I didn’t include it because it is intrinsically implied by leaving the Single Market, we leave the four freedoms. But happy to explicitly list it.
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We need to just leave, the EU have made it clear they won’t change the deal. Parliament has rejected the deal 3 times.

What do you expect to happen?

It is clear any other deal that may be considered by the EU would be BINO, and our Remain Parliament EU sycophants would happily do a deal that kept us tied to them Single Market, Customs Union, ECJ and therefore not Brexit.

We need to leave, with a deal that respects what we were there led would happen and if you can’ Remember it was:

- leave the Single Market
- leave the Customs Union
- leave the ECJ

As a minimum.

If that can’t be achieved then to achieve that would be by just leaving. “No Deal” is a fallacy as there would be a deal, it would just be after we have left....that’s all.

If this subversion of democracy was being undertaken in Central America, Africa or asia we’d be denouncing them as oppressive rogue states governed by despots.

I am sick of the bullshiite, I was a remainer....but this process has turned me into the most hardened leaver.

Just do as you’re Fff’n told.
Look, you can wander into Brexit fantasy land or you can follow the process. The 2016 debate set out a goal and promised, yes promised, that there was no downside and it would be an easy win.

You, along with many others are just being revisionist. I don't care what you are sick of. I don't care whatever you have turned into. I care about my family and I care about the country. Follow the process, follow the promise. The promise was a deal so a deal it is ..

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As it prevents the conclusion of a democratic decision.

Also it was negotiated, in so far it was not proposed by the U.K., it was an EU device that we failed to negotiate out.
Incorrect. TM's deal fulfilled all the obligations of the 2016 vote. It was voted down by the ERG. These are the facts.

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The referendum was for leaving or staying in the EU. Boris is perfectly within his rights to take us out.

No deal is better than a bad deal. Heard that one before?

The dystopian view you have been sucked into believing from the EU collaborators will not happen. How can you believe that nonsense? Now they are trying to claim that food rationing will have to be introduced!

Is there nothing this lot won't say to frighten people into believing this claptrap?

I'm surprised that none of these truthtwisters haven't yert claimed that we're all gonna die!
You represent the perfect paradox of the ardent Leave supporter. Regain Democracy by bypassing it. Implement the Will of the People by ignoring it. You deploy shallow tropes without meaning: "No deal is better than a bad deal" .. a vacuous slogan at best.

Your use of cartoon language: "sucked into believing", "EU collaborators", etc. just undermines any rational point you start to make.
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Look, you can wander into Brexit fantasy land or you can follow the process. The 2016 debate set out a goal and promised, yes promised, that there was no downside and it would be an easy win.
No, you were obviously watching cbbc at the time.

The propaganda at the time, remember sent out to every household by a pro-Remain government set out many scenarios and invited you to judge them. There were no promises, but there were many claims.

The easiest trade deal in history being one and many others of that ilk. We haven’t even got to that point.

We still haven’t agreed on the Withdrawl agreement so any future agreement at this point is irrelevant.

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You, along with many others are just being revisionist.
on the contrary, as I have stated, the proposed outcomes of Brexit were front and centre before the vote. To state otherwise is an outright lie or to be so ignorant as to be irrelevant to the the discussion.


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I don't care what you are sick of. I don't care whatever you have turned into. I care about my family and I care about the country.
So do I, I fear for the future of this nation if we can be so ignored when it suits the political class

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What’s the process?

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follow the promise. The promise was a deal so a deal it is
no doubt you can provide such in any pre-2016 referendum literature- I love to see it

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Incorrect. TM's deal fulfilled all the obligations of the 2016 vote. It was voted down by the ERG. These are the facts.
It blatantly didn’t.

How can we leave the Customs Union when there is a clause saying we can’t...........duh
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From reading Johnson's leaked letter, I suspect we'll end up with a re-branded backstop.
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