19-06-2020, 00:16
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
More good news for Sir Keir
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Starmer’s action on antisemitism prompts three Jewish peers to rejoin Labour
EXCLUSIVE: Lord David Triesman, Lord Leslie Turnberg and Lord Parry Mitchell had quit due to racism under Corbyn
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https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...abour-1.500815
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19-06-2020, 02:12
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
It certainly looks like we are beginning to finally get a credible opposition, which can only be good for politics as a whole.
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19-06-2020, 05:09
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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It certainly looks like we are beginning to finally get a credible opposition, which can only be good for politics as a whole.
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One needs a credible strong opposition for the simple fact democracies function far better for it.
The Opposition's main role is to question the government of the day and hold them accountable to the public.
Its important the government of the day is scrutinised and there is constructive criticisms of government.
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19-06-2020, 09:09
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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One needs a credible strong opposition for the simple fact democracies function far better for it.
The Opposition's main role is to question the government of the day and hold them accountable to the public.
Its important the government of the day is scrutinised and there is constructive criticisms of government.
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They key is CONSTRUCTIVE. I think Keir Starmer is likely to do a good job at that though I would never vote Labour. Part of CONSTRUCTIVE that is too often missing is actually what that word is about, building up. It's not just pointing out where you think the opposition is wrong but suggesting alternatives which may not simply be the opposite of what is proposed.
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19-06-2020, 09:13
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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They key is CONSTRUCTIVE. I think Keir Starmer is likely to do a good job at that though I would never vote Labour. Part of CONSTRUCTIVE that is too often missing is actually what that word is about, building up. It's not just pointing out where you think the opposition is wrong but suggesting alternatives which may not simply be the opposite of what is proposed.
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If he promises to be less stupid and more competent than Boris he's on to a winner !  It's not a high bar to reach...
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19-06-2020, 12:57
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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If he promises to be less stupid and more competent than Boris he's on to a winner ! It's not a high bar to reach... |
You keep forgetting that the 'stupid and incompetent' Boris was voted in by the public, so are you insinuating (along with others) that over 60% of the people interested enough to vote are stupid too?
That leads to the thinking that if the majority of the UK population who have an interest in politics are stupid, why do we bother with a voting system?
Why don't we just let those who desire to be PM fight it out by competing against each other in a few tests? They could all play a chess tournament, do Sudoku puzzles, the Times crossword, and appear on Mastermind . . . overall winner takes it all.
. . . or we could just let those who gather the most cash pay for the position 
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19-06-2020, 13:10
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Just because he was less incompetent than Corbyn, doesn’t mean he isn’t incompetent, just the lesser of two weevils...
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19-06-2020, 13:33
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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You keep forgetting that the 'stupid and incompetent' Boris was voted in by the public, so are you insinuating (along with others) that over 60% of the people interested enough to vote are stupid too?
That leads to the thinking that if the majority of the UK population who have an interest in politics are stupid, why do we bother with a voting system?
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but "60% of the people interested enough to vote" did not vote for the Tories, only 43.6% did so your point is invalid.
In fact the majority of voters who exercised a preference voted against the Tories.
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19-06-2020, 13:43
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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but "60% of the people interested enough to vote" did not vote for the Tories, only 43.6% did so your point is invalid.
In fact the majority of voters who exercised a preference voted against the Tories.
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Just shows how ridiculous the system is then
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19-06-2020, 13:45
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Just shows how ridiculous the system is then
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Most people vote for someone else and you win by a landslide, not a bad days work 
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24-06-2020, 21:50
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Boris Johnson seems to think that Prime Minister's Questions is when the Prime Minister asks questions of Sir Keir. It's not, but Sir Keir still gets the better of him!
https://twitter.com/Independent/stat...87007730409472
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24-06-2020, 22:06
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I can only suggest that you watched a different version to the one i witnessed today, stammer was clearly frustrated by the way boris danced around his pathetic attempts to look relevant.
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24-06-2020, 22:48
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Starmer seemed confused by the question. Name a country with a working app . . . . Germany 12 million downloads
12 million people may have downloaded it to their phones, that doesn't mean that it's working.
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24-06-2020, 23:04
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I can only suggest that you watched a different version to the one i witnessed today, stammer was clearly frustrated by the way boris danced around his pathetic attempts to look relevant.
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I know that you swear by the great picture quality of RT but other news channels are available.
Is BoJo asking Sir Keir the questions to give practice for when he replaces him?
Here's another report on Sir Keir's winning performance today. It's from Sky News and shows how rattled BoJo is that he starts to make fatuous claims about other countries' apps.
Coronavirus: Boris Johnson under fire for 'dodgy' claim about other countries' tracking apps
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Starmer seemed confused by the question. Name a country with a working app . . . . Germany 12 million downloads
12 million people may have downloaded it to their phones, that doesn't mean that it's working.
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Anyone remotely intelligent should be confused by that daft question given that Australia, France, Germany, Latvia, Singapore and South Korea and doubtless other nations all have working apps.
Promised a world-beating app in June by BoJo, we just pissed £12m up the wall on a non-working app which pretty much everyone on this forum said would fail and are now looking at the Winter for one.
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24-06-2020, 23:06
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