Coronavirus (OLD)

[ianch99]

No one seems to be too concerned about how the Creative Arts is slowing dying There is a lot of concern to get football back and to open the pubs but nothing about the Arts. The Government seems unwilling to help struggling theatres, etc.

This sector employs 100's of thousands of people and contributes more to GDP than football and fishing combined and possibly more than agriculture. It is not just the financial impact, the cultural loss will be immense.

Some interesting articles:

https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/14/...don-s-west-end

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...anent-shutdown

“There are just under 1,100 theatre buildings in the UK, around the same as Asda and Morrisons stores combined,” Bird said. “Just over 50% are charities or trusts. They are in every town and village area, at the heart of communities.

“Our latest survey told us 70% of theatres or production companies will run out of cash, go out of business, by the end of this year. Unless there is a change in some of the government support you will see more and more theatres like Birmingham Hippodrome make difficult decisions about their workforce in order to preserve themselves.”

Both men called on the UK government for additional support for the creative industries, citing examples such as Germany’s €1bn (£890m) cultural fund, as venues struggle and tens of thousands of workers failed to qualify for support schemes.

Trubridge said that nearly 40% of members of the Musicians’ Union didn’t qualify for either self-employment income support or furlough schemes.

https://www.classicfm.com/music-news...atre-and-arts/

One thing does puzzle me: if you can sit together on a plane for 2+ hours, why can't you sit in an auditorium?

Originally Posted by ianch99

No one seems to be too concerned about how the Creative Arts is slowing dying There is a lot of concern to get football back and to open the pubs but nothing about the Arts. The Government seems unwilling to help struggling theatres, etc.

This sector employs 100's of thousands of people and contributes more to GDP than football and fishing combined and possibly more than agriculture. It is not just the financial impact, the cultural loss will be immense.

Some interesting articles:

https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/14/...don-s-west-end

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...anent-shutdown



https://www.classicfm.com/music-news...atre-and-arts/

One thing does puzzle me: if you can sit together on a plane for 2+ hours, why can't you sit in an auditorium?

I think the "logic" is that people are sat quietly on a plane - in the theatre, they are reacting to the show (singing along, laughing, etc., all of which increase exhalations).

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

No one seems to be too concerned about how the Creative Arts is slowing dying There is a lot of concern to get football back and to open the pubs but nothing about the Arts. The Government seems unwilling to help struggling theatres, etc.

This sector employs 100's of thousands of people and contributes more to GDP than football and fishing combined and possibly more than agriculture. It is not just the financial impact, the cultural loss will be immense.

Some interesting articles:

https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/14/...don-s-west-end

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...anent-shutdown



https://www.classicfm.com/music-news...atre-and-arts/

One thing does puzzle me: if you can sit together on a plane for 2+ hours, why can't you sit in an auditorium?

Well said (for a change).

[Carth]

Infection rates have just increased by about 30% in my area . . . now they've decided to include all the figures for testing done outside of hospitals

How the hell anyone knows what's going on is beyond me

[Taf]

2nd JUly 2020

"We have updated the methodology of reporting positive cases, to remove duplicates within and across pillars 1 and 2, to ensure that a person who tests positive is only counted once. Methodologies between nations differ and we will be making future revisions to align approaches as much as possible across the 4 nations. Due to this change, and a revision of historical data in pillar 1, the cumulative total for positive cases is 30,302 lower than if you added the daily figure to yesterday’s total. We will revise the methodology note explaining this in more detail in due course"

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by Carth

Infection rates have just increased by about 30% in my area . . . now they've decided to include all the figures for testing done outside of hospitals

How the hell anyone knows what's going on is beyond me

Percentage differences can be very misleading.

Day 1 = 1 case
Day 2 = 2 cases -> Shock horror 100% increase

[Carth]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Percentage differences can be very misleading.

Day 1 = 1 case
Day 2 = 2 cases -> Shock horror 100% increase

Yeah, maybe I should have kept it simple "shot up by more than 200" does have a better ring to it

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think the "logic" is that people are sat quietly on a plane - in the theatre, they are reacting to the show (singing along, laughing, etc., all of which increase exhalations).

You must go First Class Hugh They aren't quiet on the planes I go on ! They're usually pumped up on several Stella's that they've consumed at 7am in the Terminal. Glad I got my abroad holiday done earlier in the year.

I won't be going to any pub, shop, hairdresser this weekend; it's and nothing you can't do or order from home. It'll be chaos, congestion and confusion. A nice quiet walk in the country I think, rain permitting.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think the "logic" is that people are sat quietly on a plane - in the theatre, they are reacting to the show (singing along, laughing, etc., all of which increase exhalations).

Also, the air flows in aircraft 'wash' from the ceiling to floor and the air is scrubbed through HEPA filters every 1-3 minutes. The air on planes is very clean and also very dry

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Also, the air flows in aircraft 'wash' from the ceiling to floor and the air is scrubbed through HEPA filters every 1-3 minutes. The air on planes is very clean and also very dry

And if somebody coughs/sneezes as they constantly do, between the filter and you ? It's also the terminal and every surface you touch getting on/off, queuing at the gate etc. You'd be bonkers to travel at the moment unless you really have to. The Govt. doesn't have the balls to tell everyone to just stay home this year. There will be other years, hopefully.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...4f2f108d24e9ef

People arriving in the UK will be given Covid-19 tests at the border under plans to abolish the blanket quarantine for all passengers.

Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, confirmed yesterday that officials were assessing plans for mass testing at airports.

He suggested that an enhanced testing regime could unlock travel to and from Britain. A trial scheme at airports is already being planned by two private sector companies and it is believed that details of a government-backed programme will be confirmed in mid-July.

Today, Mr Shapps will announce further details of quarantine-free “air bridge” agreements that will allow passengers to travel into the UK without self-isolating for two weeks.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...4f2f108d24e9ef

That seems sensible if it can be done cost-effectively. The other points are how will it be charged and would it compulsory?

BREAKING: Current and Regional infections rates (R number) have been revealed:

The latest regional R value and current growth rates are:

• England - R = 0.8-0.9 Growth = -5% to -2%
  
• East of England: 0.7-0.9 Growth = -5% to 0%
  
• London: 0.8-1.1 Growth = -4% to +2%
  
• Midlands: 0.8-1.0 Growth = -4% to 0%
  
• North East and Yorkshire: 0.8-1.0 Growth = -5% to 0%
  
• North West: 0.7-0.9 Growth = -4% to 0%
  
• South East: 0.7-1.0 Growth = -5% to 0%
  
• South West: 0.7-1.0 Growth = -7% to +2%

The rate means less than one person is contracting the virus from an infected person, something the government has been keen to maintain to keep down infection rates.

When it comes to how fast the virus is spreading, the average growth rate across the UK is -6% to 0%.

SAGE, the government's independent scientific advisory group, said it had observed increases and decreases in some of the estimates for R and growth rates.

"These fluctuations are not considered to be significant due to the small size of the changes," the group said in a statement.


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"The most likely explanation for these changes is the uncertainty created when estimating these values based on increasingly smaller numbers of cases."


It said the fewer cases there are, the more difficult it is to accurately estimate the R value and growth rates and just because an area has a positive number, it does not mean the epidemic is definitely increasing, just that it cannot be ruled out.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...egion-12020448

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Current and Regional infections rates (R number) have been revealed:

The latest regional R value and current growth rates are:

• England - R = 0.8-0.9 Growth = -5% to -2%
  
• East of England: 0.7-0.9 Growth = -5% to 0%
  
• London: 0.8-1.1 Growth = -4% to +2%
  
• Midlands: 0.8-1.0 Growth = -4% to 0%
  
• North East and Yorkshire: 0.8-1.0 Growth = -5% to 0%
  
• North West: 0.7-0.9 Growth = -4% to 0%
  
• South East: 0.7-1.0 Growth = -5% to 0%
  
• South West: 0.7-1.0 Growth = -7% to +2%

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...egion-12020448

I think that the Yorkshire figures must be impacted by the Asda factory in Batley that has had a second outbreak and the fact that Bradford is the second highest infected place in the UK; again, a lot of Asian people live in both of these places.

The "Midlands" is a huge area, they could have separated out East & West.