13-04-2020, 14:07
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Forget who ran the story. Are you saying it's not true and if so, where's the link for this?
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Hugh's point yesterday was that if you make an allegation, you need evidence to support it. Not the other way round.
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13-04-2020, 14:23
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Links please.
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Good one!
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13-04-2020, 15:26
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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The changes that were introduced by the Conservative Government of the day, when the Justice Department was lead by Chris Grayling?
Wonder why they don’t want an apology from him, or from Dame Alison Saunders, who was the DPP when the investigation into Paul Gambaccini was undertaken?
Or perhaps Bernard Hogan-Howe, who was the Met Police Commissioner at the time - it was his officers who interviewed Mr Gambaccini.
A small point, but a very important one - the CPS (whoever is in charge) does not decide who gets investigated; the Police do that.
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Links please.
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hth...
The revised guidance came in in 2011, and Paul Gambaccini was initially arrested and investigated by the Met under Op Yewtree from October 31st 2013.
Chris Grayling https://www.gov.uk/government/people/chris-grayling
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Political career
Chris served as Minister of State at the Department for Work and Pensions from May 2010 until September 2012. He was Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice from September 2012 until May 2015, and Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons from May 2015 until 14 July 2016.
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Dame Alison Saunders https://www.gov.uk/government/people/alison-saunders
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On 1 November 2013, Alison was appointed Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP). She is the first DPP to be appointed from within the CPS.
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Bernard Hogan-Howe ttps://members.parliament.uk/member/4693/experience
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Metropolitan Police Commissioner 2011 - 2017
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Met Police https://www.itv.com/news/update/2013...e-allegations/
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Paul Gambaccini has confirmed he was arrested as part of the Metropolitan Police's Operation Yewtree investigation and has denied all allegations, a spokesman for the BBC broadcaster said tonight.
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CPS https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps-page/investigation
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The difference between the police and the CPS
The police:
The police arrest and question, they gather evidence and take witness statements.
The CPS:
The CPS is responsible for charging and prosecuting, they decide if the evidence is good enough to go to court.
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13-04-2020, 15:59
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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Big post containing nothing relative to the point.
Where in the above waffle does it refute the claim that
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policy changes authorised by new Labour leader Sir Keir during his former job as Director of Public Prosecutions...
...effectively urged police to believe the accuser whenever there was an allegation of sexual abuse and led to the disastrous Operation Midland.
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13-04-2020, 16:24
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Big post containing nothing relative to the point.
Where in the above waffle does it refute the claim that
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Erm, that's not what I posted - I posted
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The changes that were introduced by the Conservative Government of the day, when the Justice Department was lead by Chris Grayling?
Wonder why they don’t want an apology from him, or from Dame Alison Saunders, who was the DPP when the investigation into Paul Gambaccini was undertaken?
Or perhaps Bernard Hogan-Howe, who was the Met Police Commissioner at the time - it was his officers who interviewed Mr Gambaccini.
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You asked for links, and I supplied them.
The changes were also agreed by Chris Grayling, who was the Justice Secretary at the time - so if an apology is requred from Starmer, shouldn't it also be required from Grayling?
The recommendations were a lot more complex than
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effectively urged police to believe the accuser
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24555303
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Under the guidelines, prosecutors are told to focus on the credibility of allegations, not on whether victims make good witnesses.
All suspects will also be investigated to see if they possess indecent images.
The guidelines cover how victims should be treated and how a case should be built and presented in court.
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A joint protocol for information sharing in child sexual abuse cases has also been published alongside the guidelines, in which police and prosecutors are expected to share information with social services, schools and family courts.
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The Met Police launched Operation Midland, not the CPS.
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13-04-2020, 17:15
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Erm, that's not what I posted - I posted You asked for links, and I supplied them.
The changes were also agreed by Chris Grayling, who was the Justice Secretary at the time - so if an apology is requred from Starmer, shouldn't it also be required from Grayling?
The recommendations were a lot more complex than
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24555303
The Met Police launched Operation Midland, not the CPS.
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This is all about Starmer's fitness for office, not Chris Grayling.
I'm not excusing Grayling, but he's a separate disaster area and a separate story.
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13-04-2020, 17:21
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Loving the baseless attempts to trash the new Labour leader. Of course, the current administration has a fine selection of upstanding ministers: Patel, Raab, to name a couple of beacons of virtue and integrity.
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13-04-2020, 17:30
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Loving the baseless attempts to trash the new Labour leader. Of course, the current administration has a fine selection of upstanding ministers: Patel, Raab, to name a couple of beacons of virtue and integrity.
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They are not baseless, as I have already pointed out. However, whether they are important is a matter of personal opinion.
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13-04-2020, 18:43
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Erm, that's not what I posted - I posted You asked for links, and I supplied them.
The changes were also agreed by Chris Grayling, who was the Justice Secretary at the time - so if an apology is requred from Starmer, shouldn't it also be required from Grayling?
The recommendations were a lot more complex than
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24555303
The Met Police launched Operation Midland, not the CPS.
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So even though you quoted OB's post you weren't responding to it. Keep on wriggling.
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13-04-2020, 19:02
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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So even though you quoted OB's post you weren't responding to it. Keep on wriggling.
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Thanks for the kind offer...
OB posted a link I was responding to the part in the article where Mr Gambaccini asserted
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the veteran BBC broadcaster criticised policy changes authorised by new Labour leader Sir Keir during his former job as Director of Public Prosecutions.
Gambaccini claimed these were 'the biggest single factor' in police investigations into celebrities who were publicly named but never charged with any crime, including himself, comedians Jimmy Tarbuck and Jim Davidson, and Sir Cliff Richard. All were cleared of any wrongdoing.
Gambaccini, 71, said the changes effectively urged police to believe the accuser whenever there was an allegation of sexual abuse and led to the disastrous Operation Midland.
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I pointed out that Starmer did not implement these changes on his own, and that others were involved in the investigations, so should these others also apologise?
I can (repeatedly) explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you...
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13-04-2020, 20:02
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Thanks for the kind offer...
OB posted a link
I was responding to the part in the article where Mr Gambaccini asserted
I pointed out that Starmer did not implement these changes on his own, and that others were involved in the investigations, so should these others also apologise?
I can (repeatedly) explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you...
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But Hugh, this is about the new Leader of the Opposition.,
I haven't claimed that anyone should apologise, but everyone involved in that sorry business deserves censure. One of them is Sir Keith Starmer.
By the way, your link doesn't work.
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13-04-2020, 20:47
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
No idea what’s going on in this thread now, have Hugh and OB sorted themselves out yet?
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13-04-2020, 22:30
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
I don’t know. Who’s Keith?
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13-04-2020, 22:47
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I don’t know. Who’s Keith?
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14-04-2020, 08:20
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I don’t know. Who’s Keith?
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He means Kev
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