PM Boris forms a government

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Please read the article. If you get such delays permanently, it becomes uneconomic to run the service.
No one's debating overturning a referendum in these reports.

Which would mean less traffic, therefore shorter delays.

The only solution to overcoming these "devastating" delays is overturning the referendum vote and remaining in the EU.
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The EU-Turkey CU provides frictionless trade for certain goods, a model which may seem attractive for the UK’s Brexit negotiators.

And yet

On a recent Saturday at the Kapıkule border crossing, about 30 minutes drive from the Turkish city of Edirne, a line of trucks 4km long stretched along the highway, inching along glacially towards the Bulgarian checkpoints. “Today is a good day,” said Ibrahim Kurtukcu, a 42-year trucker who had been waiting 14 hours. “Last week the line was 7km long.” The record is 17km. It can take up to 30 hours to get through to the other side.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Pathetic. So you want to remain in a corrupt EU. Give up the crown, for what, military rule?

To think in such small terms. In your dreams. Monarchy here to stay. Did you not study history?

We already were a Republic once, didn’t quite work out that well.

The Queen barely flex’s the power she welds and quite rightly, for a long long time, she has kept the Monachy out of the political arena. She’s being dragged in because the Democratic will of the people is being ignored, we voted to leave the EU. We have a Remain led Parliament subverting Democracy, not Boris Johnson, these people shouting, “Stopthecoup”, never actually seen a real coup, tanks, rogue army etc.

The best coups happen without tanks and the army.
It's as undemocratic to force through no-deal against the will of a democratically-elected Parliament as it is to ignore the referendum vote. But many people have become too blinkered to see this, they just want to see their side win at all cost.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Which would mean less traffic, therefore shorter delays.

The only solution to overcoming these "devastating" delays is overturning the referendum vote and remaining in the EU.
Link
And yet

Sounds like the penny is dropping. What do fewer journeys mean? Fewer jobs? Fewer goods? Fewer exports?
Maybe that's why UK factory production is suffering?
Sounds like the Turkish border issues are unrelated to its relationship with the EU, more its efficiency. Turkey is a far poorer, emerging economy. Both the UK and France are richer and a lot more developed.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Maybe we can be more helpful with our clarifications. Let me try an analogy.
If your train journey takes two minutes but is occasionally delayed by bad weather or a train strike, you will still use it.
If it is regularly delayed by 2-3 hours and you have a 50% chance of it being delayed by 8 hours, you will make other arrangements like the plane or car. These will be more costly in time or money.
Over time, you might find it better to buy somewhere closer to work or choose a new job. But you can't do this instantly.

Train journey less costly in time or money than plane or car? Since when?

Are hauliers moving trucks around just for the sake of it?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The best coups happen without tanks and the army.
It's as undemocratic to force through no-deal against the will of a democratically-elected Parliament as it is to ignore the referendum vote. But many people have become too blinkered to see this, they just want to see their side win at all cost.

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Sounds like the penny is dropping. What do fewer journeys mean? Fewer jobs? Fewer goods? Fewer exports?
Sounds like the Turkish border issues are unrelated to its relationship with the EU, more its efficiency. Turkey is a far poorer, emerging economy. Both the UK and France are richer and a lot more developed.

Link (again)

The EU has agreed open-access road transport deals only with a handful of neighbouring countries. This includes members of the European Economic Area, which Britain has said it will not join, and Switzerland, which has a special bilateral agreement.
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The problem is not one of infrastructure. Turkey has invested hundreds of millions of dollars trying to speed up things on its end. It built a massive truck terminus an hour from the Bulgarian border, where customs agents carry out inspections and stamp forms that are then fed into a computerised system shared with the EU. The border gates themselves were revamped to create more lanes and parking lots with modern waiting areas.
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On the other end, Bulgarian border officers examine each truck, going over the paperwork and doing random drug and migrant checks. Refrigerated trucks are x-rayed as are 5 per cent of other trucks, at random, according to Mr Ereke. “For the UK, I wish them good luck,” he said, pointing to the lines behind him. “It is not going to be easy.”

The Turks have done everything they can, It is the EU imposing the costs and restrictions.

The problem is that we're too polite to return the nastiness coming from the EU.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Train journey less costly in time or money than plane or car? Since when?

I said or. Quicker in many cities to get the train in due to congestion. Parking charges mean it's often cheaper too. And catching a train from Leeds to London is far quicker than driving it and cheaper than flying it. But we digress, hopefully you understand the difference between a short-term weather problem and a long-term change.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Are hauliers moving trucks around just for the sake of it?

You would have to pose this unusual question to the road hauliers.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The best coups happen without tanks and the army.
It's as undemocratic to force through no-deal against the will of a democratically-elected Parliament as it is to ignore the referendum vote. But many people have become too blinkered to see this, they just want to see their side win at all cost.

Rubbish-Which coups are they then?

Also, our side won the referendum, or did you forget that detail?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Please read the article. If you get such delays permanently, it becomes uneconomic to run the service.
No one's debating overturning a referendum in these reports.

Perhaps you should read this article.

No-deal Brexit: ‘Nothing is going to happen’ at Dover and Calais, insists head of French ports
'If both sides do their homework, traffic will be completely fluid,' says the man in charge of Calais

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Pathetic. So you want to remain in a corrupt EU. Give up the crown, for what, military rule?

To think in such small terms. In your dreams. Monarchy here to stay. Did you not study history?

We already were a Republic once, didn’t quite work out that well.

The Queen barely flex’s the power she welds and quite rightly, for a long long time, she has kept the Monachy out of the political arena. She’s being dragged in because the Democratic will of the people is being ignored, we voted to leave the EU. We have a Remain led Parliament subverting Democracy, not Boris Johnson, these people shouting, “Stopthecoup”, never actually seen a real coup, tanks, rogue army etc.

I don't see why wanting to live in a republic is being tied to wanting to remain in the EU in your example?

I'd happily settle for a President. Even if people voted for Boris.

It's obviously not a coup. I think it's poor behaviour from Boris Johnson, as is the implicit threat of just ignoring Parliament, but it still falls short of being a coup. Fair short in fact, difference universe short.

People need to calm down. There is enough to be angry about without using terms like coup and for that matter traitor.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Perhaps you should read this article.

No-deal Brexit: ‘Nothing is going to happen’ at Dover and Calais, insists head of French ports
'If both sides do their homework, traffic will be completely fluid,' says the man in charge of Calais

"If both sides do their homework"; notably he doesn't say what this homework entails, how much it costs, or who bears these costs. Do we need more staff? More infrastructure? Does business need better information or training on these new processes?

How much third country traffic presently enters Calais?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Perhaps you should read this article.

No-deal Brexit: ‘Nothing is going to happen’ at Dover and Calais, insists head of French ports
'If both sides do their homework, traffic will be completely fluid,' says the man in charge of Calais

I've read it - one person's opinion compared to a report based in far more information. I commend the Sky News report to you.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's obviously not a coup. I think it's poor behaviour from Boris Johnson, as is the implicit threat of just ignoring Parliament, but it still falls short of being a coup. Fair short in fact, difference universe short.

People need to calm down. There is enough to be angry about without using terms like coup and for that matter traitor.

When some start using words like coup and traitor they have weakened their argument considerably.

[nomadking]

Delays in imports are down to us, delays in exports are down to the EU.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Delays in imports are down to us, delays in exports are down to the EU.

If only it were that simple.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Maybe we can be more helpful with our clarifications. Let me try an analogy.
If your train journey takes two minutes but is occasionally delayed by bad weather or a train strike, you will still use it.
If it is regularly delayed by 2-3 hours and you have a 50% chance of it being delayed by 8 hours, you will make other arrangements like the plane or car. These will be more costly in time or money.
Over time, you might find it better to buy somewhere closer to work or choose a new job. But you can't do this instantly.

Are you suggesting we - the UK - start to invest in our own manufacturing, farming, and services? it's about time someone mentioned it

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've read it - one person's opinion compared to a report based in far more information. I commend the Sky News report to you.

Typical.

I'll ignore the report that doesn't support my argument, and hold up the one that does as gospel...................