The state benefits system mega-thread.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Whilst what you say is correct, what are we to do about these feckwhits who keep having kids without the private means to support them?

The easy option would be to pay (benefits) for the 1st child, 1/2 for the 2nd child and nowt onwards.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Whilst what you say is correct, what are we to do about these feckwhits who keep having kids without the private means to support them?

As others have said - by limiting the State handouts available. It won't eliminate the problem entirely but it will certainly have an impact.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Whilst what you say is correct, what are we to do about these feckwhits who keep having kids without the private means to support them?

Rent the kids out for days at the park and zoo.

or make the parents sweep the street and make cups of tea for the neighbours.

or get them to work in Tescos for free.

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Originally Posted by Chris

As others have said - by limiting the State handouts available. It won't eliminate the problem entirely but it will certainly have an impact.

Gone are the days when a family would go down the dole office and threaten to leave the baby there if they don't get no money today.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

As others have said - by limiting the State handouts available. It won't eliminate the problem entirely but it will certainly have an impact.

The trouble is these people know their kids also amount to a bargaining chip. So as well as ensuring certain additional benefits they're also the key to better housing and the state will rightly not want to punish the children for the actions of their so called parents.

I watched a programme about High Court enforcement officers last night. It highlighted a couple with 6 kids who'd paid no rent for 10 months and had, for reasons best known to themselves, turned the newly refurbished house they were renting into a filthy tip in that short time. One of the staff commented on how it was often the case that they'd go into properties like this and find all sorts of expensive consumer goods (and indeed this place was equipped with large TVs, apple laptop, xbox, etc. etc.) whilst the kids would be living in total squalor. We all know these people aren't the majority but they are the core of the problem and they know that having kids will put them on the top of the pile when it comes to housing, services and benefits. What do we do about people like this?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Osem

The trouble is these people know their kids also amount to a bargaining chip. So as well as ensuring certain additional benefits they're also the key to better housing and the state will rightly not want to punish the children for the actions of their so called parents.

I watched a programme about High Court enforcement officers last night. It highlighted a couple with 6 kids who'd paid no rent for 10 months and had, for reasons best known to themselves, turned the newly refurbished house they were renting into a filthy tip in that short time. One of the staff commented on how it was often the case that they'd go into properties like this and find all sorts of expensive consumer goods (and indeed this place was equipped with large TVs, apple laptop, xbox, etc. etc.) whilst the kids would be living in total squalor. We all know these people aren't the majority but they are the core of the problem and they know that having kids will put them on the top of the pile when it comes to housing, services and benefits. What do we do about people like this?

Without punishing the children more so, I don't think there is anything you can do about it, hence limiting these pay outs from a set date onwards would or could hopefully stop this from happening again in the future.

[Gary L]

I seriously just look at them as people living their lives.
there's not much you can do about them.
if you look at it as they're costing us money. then you will have a problem about it.
same with looking at it as jealousy.
you could look at them as an MP who doesn't spend his or her own money and claims every single thing on expenses.
that's a bigger problem really. millions of pounds wasted. tax payers money. money that they can quite easily afford to spend of their own. but they don't want to. they'd sooner spend theirs on luxury items, and save it all up into millions.

Dave could say from now on you pay for this and that out of your own money. because we have no money. and we're all in this together.
but he hasn't, and he won't.

proves he's not taking it seriously.
all he wants out of his reign of power is to to put people in their place.

it all started that day of the riots. that really upset him.
and he hasn't stopped getting his revenge for it.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I seriously just look at them as people living their lives.
there's not much you can do about them.
if you look at it as they're costing us money. then you will have a problem about it.

So are you advocating that we just let them carry on?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

So are you advocating that we just let them carry on?

Which ones?
the ones with Xbox's or the ones who keep having them with no money to support them?

you could cut their money.
you could keep cutting it till we see one die. and be satisfied that we cut enough.

but apart from that. what can you do?

educate?

[Taf]

Whilst Child Benefit did attract more to breeding "excessively", it's Child Tax Credits that has been the biggest factor AFIAC.

[denphone]

My parents had nine of us and apart from some child benefit worked to put food on our table so lets not stereotype every family that has large families.

[Taf]

My Mum was one of 13, my Dad one of 10, and they managed well enough on Child Tax Allowance (only paid to working families). Families around here in my generation were usually only made up with 1 to 3 kids. But whilst that still seems about right in this generation of "locals", there are families with large numbers of kids moving in from abroad.

[Gary L]

You don't see many big white British families in Britain.
they're that rare, that when someone finds one they make a documentary about them. and how much it costs to put food in their gobs.

there's loads of big foreign families from abroad. but nobody makes a documentary about them. and how much it costs to put food in their gobs.

My dads family was big.
7 brothers and 3 sisters.

his own kids he had 2 boys and 2 girls
would have had 3 girls. but sold her to put food on the table.

big families were the norm in the olden days. and money was even tighter.

I quote my father.
"This is all Thatcher all over again. she hated working class people too. she made everyone lose their homes"

[richard s]

There was not much TV in the old days! If we do not curb the population world wide - we will not exist in the near future.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

My parents had nine of us and apart from some child benefit worked to put food on our table so lets not stereotype every family that has large families.

My father was one of 8 and they were very poor - it was more down to lack of contraception than anything else I believe. Nobody sensible is stereotyping ALL large families. It is right, however, to point out and try to do something about the irresponsible minority who exploit the benefits system to their advantage and even continue breeding when they patently cannot cope with the kids they already have and are living in abject squalor . It wouldn't be so bad if these people actually cared for their children properly but parenthood is something which seems to stall when their kids are born and the benefits they get seem to be largely spent on things other than their children's welfare.

Somebody please tell me what excuse there is in 21st Century Britain for someone who won't work, won't keep their home clean, won't feed their children properly and keep them clean, safe etc. etc. to have more children? If nobody else, let's consider the poor children who are born to these defective people.

Until we get to grips with that proportion of society who choose not to behave responsibly they will continue to see having children as a means to an end and the more people there will be who've known nothing other than life on benefits and parents who didn't care about them.

[blackthorn]

Its not just non working people on benefits who dont look after their kids and dont clean their house. What would you propose to do to the working parents who dont do the things you describe.