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Old 13-05-2018, 17:38   #46
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Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.

If you are denying this, what is the reason then?

The test would be to see if you normally speak to people like this, or if I am being singled out for this unpleasant treatment.

Do you not think it inappropriate to try to run rings around someone with a cognitive impairment as a result of a brain injury and expose them to snide, sarcastic and rude comments?

If you are having problems of your own (has the black dog reared its ugly head?), you know where I am if you ever need an understanding and confidential ear.

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Old 13-05-2018, 19:50   #47
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While the misinterpretation of post #5 has caused some stupidity Richard you cannot use your personal circumstances as a shield against responses and your able to post with regularity so you must understand that your going to get hostility to your views on a public forum. I have an impairment i suffer from debilitating headaches current one is nearing three month's and that's totally irrelevant to my posting (apart from my spelling sometimes sorry about that guys) and certainly doesn't stop others from challenging my posts in whatever way they choose.

In an ideal world all debates would be balanced and conducted with politeness and thought but in the real world we live in your going to get all types of responses from all types of people so deal with it and move to another forum or thicken your skin.
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If you are denying this, what is the reason then?

The test would be to see if you normally speak to people like this, or if I am being singled out for this unpleasant treatment.

Do you not think it inappropriate to try to run rings around someone with a cognitive impairment as a result of a brain injury and expose them to snide, sarcastic and rude comments?

If you are having problems of your own (has the black dog reared its ugly head?), you know where I am if you ever need an understanding and confidential ear.
You're not being singled out by Hugh, he's unpleasant to everyone.
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Old 13-05-2018, 22:35   #49
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While the misinterpretation of post #5 has caused some stupidity Richard you cannot use your personal circumstances as a shield against responses and your able to post with regularity so you must understand that your going to get hostility to your views on a public forum. I have an impairment i suffer from debilitating headaches current one is nearing three month's and that's totally irrelevant to my posting (apart from my spelling sometimes sorry about that guys) and certainly doesn't stop others from challenging my posts in whatever way they choose.

In an ideal world all debates would be balanced and conducted with politeness and thought but in the real world we live in your going to get all types of responses from all types of people so deal with it and move to another forum or thicken your skin.
I'm sorry to hear that, that must be very difficult to live with. I often experience pain myself, but never constantly for three months at a time.

My main problem with posting is with my cognitive impairment as it effects various thinking & memory processes. Think of it as a computer with a virus, it will take much longer to process a command and even then may come up with the wrong answer!

I would expect people to be more understanding of this and certainly not to go out of their way to run rings around me, be obtuse and create needless hostility.

Equalities law also expects this too, so i'm really surprised that someone in a managerial position should behave like this. Disabled employees should be confident in expecting support as opposed to sanctimoneous negativity tinged with sarcasm when approaching management for help.

Having said that, we are all human and he may be facing issues of his own that are leading to this uncharacteristic behaviour.

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Old 13-05-2018, 23:43   #50
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Equalities laws have gone too far in some respects causing not compliance with them but anger and frustration from many people whose language might be colourful but not malicious or hateful but fall foul of these overreaching laws. You and i differ massively in this respect you would prefer a veneer of sanitisation in how people talk and interact with each other while i prefer the warts and all approach to life and people. Laws are great they may punish after the offence but do nothing to protect you at the time, speech\hate crimes are pernicious imo and we are seeing it in the uneven application of those laws not to mention the ever greater police resources dedicated to those units at the expense of traditional policing.

There are way too many people these days who just can't seem to deal with the negatives of living and they want legal protections that they think will create a better nicer world when the truth is it does the opposite. We've become too damn comfortable and complacent as a society taking some thing's for granted and relinquishing personal responsibility to others to act on our behalf this hasn't made us better or stronger as a society it's made us weaker and it needs to stop.
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I'm sorry to hear that, that must be very difficult to live with. I often experience pain myself, but never constantly for three months at a time.

My main problem with posting is with my cognitive impairment as it effects various thinking & memory processes. Think of it as a computer with a virus, it will take much longer to process a command and even then may come up with the wrong answer!

I would expect people to be more understanding of this and certainly not to go out of their way to run rings around me, be obtuse and create needless hostility.

Equalities law also expects this too, so i'm really surprised that someone in a managerial position should behave like this. Disabled employees should be confident in expecting support as opposed to sanctimoneous negativity tinged with sarcasm when approaching management for help.

Having said that, we are all human and he may be facing issues of his own that are leading to this uncharacteristic behaviour.

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I've encountered a mixture of experiences.
Occam’s Razor - it’s not your disability (which no one knew about until you mentioned it, but it hasn’t changed the style or tone of your postings), but just what and how you post that engenders a negative reaction - having a disability does not exempt you from critique if people believe you have posted inappropriately.

You have, in the past, threatened CF’ers with legal action, and when that hasn’t worked, you continually play the ‘victim’ card.

I have duty of care to employees (of which you are not one), but if any of them behaved the way you do, no matter if they had one of the nine protected characteristics, they would be having a conversation, with HR and the Union Rep present - the Equality Act 2010 does not give those protected by it carte blanche to be an arse, or equally use what could be perceived as discriminatory language (and no, saying ‘it’s been cleared up’ by denying what you said was meant to be discriminatory, but not explaining what you did mean by saying ‘it’s genetic with these people’ is not sufficient).

And being passive-aggressive by intimating that I may have mental health issues shows how hypocritical you are - whether I do, or do not, is none of your business, and how would you react* if people said that your postings and views were due to brain damage?

(*Probably with a threat of legal action)
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Old 14-05-2018, 02:32   #52
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Equalities laws have gone too far in some respects causing not compliance with them but anger and frustration from many people whose language might be colourful but not malicious or hateful but fall foul of these overreaching laws. You and i differ massively in this respect you would prefer a veneer of sanitisation in how people talk and interact with each other while i prefer the warts and all approach to life and people. Laws are great they may punish after the offence but do nothing to protect you at the time, speech\hate crimes are pernicious imo and we are seeing it in the uneven application of those laws not to mention the ever greater police resources dedicated to those units at the expense of traditional policing.

There are way too many people these days who just can't seem to deal with the negatives of living and they want legal protections that they think will create a better nicer world when the truth is it does the opposite. We've become too damn comfortable and complacent as a society taking some thing's for granted and relinquishing personal responsibility to others to act on our behalf this hasn't made us better or stronger as a society it's made us weaker and it needs to stop.
I don't understand why people can't just be kind to each other.

In the case of disability/illness, some might simply be being thoughtless or downright malicious as they regard disability as something that doesn't affect them.

Statistically, they will become disabled at some point in their life or someone close to them will, through disease, attack, accident or old age. At this time I hope that they reflect upon their past attitude/behaviour and come to a realisation.

Cognitive impairment increases the risk of dementia significantly, but as a population it's increasing anyway, as is cancer. If people aren't kind and thoughtful to the sick and disabled when they are well, they run the risk of learning from their mistakes at a particularly low point in their life. I've even known some believe it to be as a result of karma for past mistakes, particularly if it affects a loved one as opposed to themselves.

None of us know what's around the corner, this time last week a young man I know of was fit and healthy- a doorman and a boxer, but at this point in time he's in a mortuary.

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Occam’s Razor - it’s not your disability (which no one knew about until you mentioned it, but it hasn’t changed the style or tone of your postings), but just what and how you post that engenders a negative reaction - having a disability does not exempt you from critique if people believe you have posted inappropriately.

You have, in the past, threatened CF’ers with legal action, and when that hasn’t worked, you continually play the ‘victim’ card.

I have duty of care to employees (of which you are not one), but if any of them behaved the way you do, no matter if they had one of the nine protected characteristics, they would be having a conversation, with HR and the Union Rep present - the Equality Act 2010 does not give those protected by it carte blanche to be an arse, or equally use what could be perceived as discriminatory language (and no, saying ‘it’s been cleared up’ by denying what you said was meant to be discriminatory, but not explaining what you did mean by saying ‘it’s genetic with these people’ is not sufficient).

And being passive-aggressive by intimating that I may have mental health issues shows how hypocritical you are - whether I do, or do not, is none of your business, and how would you react* if people said that your postings and views were due to brain damage?

(*Probably with a threat of legal action)
I always try and post with respect, courtesy and dignity.

You are obviously hurting for some reason, but this isn't the way to deal with it.

My efforts to be kind and helpful are being misinterpreted as something else, so let's just leave it at that.

All the best.
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Occam’s Razor - it’s not your disability (which no one knew about until you mentioned it, but it hasn’t changed the style or tone of your postings), but just what and how you post that engenders a negative reaction - having a disability does not exempt you from critique if people believe you have posted inappropriately.

You have, in the past, threatened CF’ers with legal action, and when that hasn’t worked, you continually play the ‘victim’ card.

I have duty of care to employees (of which you are not one), but if any of them behaved the way you do, no matter if they had one of the nine protected characteristics, they would be having a conversation, with HR and the Union Rep present - the Equality Act 2010 does not give those protected by it carte blanche to be an arse, or equally use what could be perceived as discriminatory language (and no, saying ‘it’s been cleared up’ by denying what you said was meant to be discriminatory, but not explaining what you did mean by saying ‘it’s genetic with these people’ is not sufficient).

And being passive-aggressive by intimating that I may have mental health issues shows how hypocritical you are - whether I do, or do not, is none of your business, and how would you react* if people said that your postings and views were due to brain damage?

(*Probably with a threat of legal action)
Such a good post

My own thoughts on the original post were it was a trap (que admiral Akbar) probably to seek attention, the local knowledge secret squirrel stuff that followed just confirmed it for me.
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Old 14-05-2018, 02:44   #54
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Most people are kind and decent but there are as there has always been a minority that prefer other approaches to dealing with people and there's nothing we can do about that but either fight back or ignore and give no response. We all have to live in the world as it is not how we would like it to be and laws are just not the way to go.
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Such a good post

My own thoughts on the original post were it was a trap (que admiral Akbar) probably to seek attention, the local knowledge secret squirrel stuff that followed just confirmed it for me.
You are over thinking this and are not helping the situation with your remarks. Looks like it's you that's the one doing the attention seeking (and trying to stir things up) in this thread.

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Most people are kind and decent but there are as there has always been a minority that prefer other approaches to dealing with people and there's nothing we can do about that but either fight back or ignore and give no response. We all have to live in the world as it is not how we would like it to be and laws are just not the way to go.
It would be great if there weren't these laws because they weren't actually needed. Like you say though, most people are decent, its the minority that try to cause needless problems.
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You are over thinking this and are not helping the situation with your remarks. Looks like it's you that's the one doing the attention seeking (and trying to stir things up) in this thread


Oh yes I'm trying to stir things up, that's why I left it over 14 days before posting that, always someone else's fault isn't it, the problem never lies with you does it
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Such a good post

My own thoughts on the original post were it was a trap (que admiral Akbar) probably to seek attention, the local knowledge secret squirrel stuff that followed just confirmed it for me.
Interesting angle. I just took it at face value, as written More fool me ..
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Oh yes I'm trying to stir things up, that's why I left it over 14 days before posting that, always someone else's fault isn't it, the problem never lies with you does it
You started stirring things up by trying to put words into Hughs mouth in post #41.

You've even set Ian off again now; it appears to me that you just didn't want to see things settle down as they were doing.
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I think we all need to take a step back relax for a bit and get back to the norm for a forum which is post your opinions and be prepared for them to be challenged by others with differing opinions and leave out the personal digs, insinuation of mental or physical state and just debate the opinions.
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