Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS. - Page 3

**Hugh** · 11-05-2018, 08:12

Back in topic, in the Public Domain, sentencing/possible appeal has been adjourned until 1st June.

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The decision handed down on 27th April 2018 found fourteen allegations of contempt relating to false statements by Mr Atwal to be proven. In each category of dishonesty Mr Justice Spencer found that the making of false statements:

… plainly had a tendency to interfere with the administration of justice by increasing the seriousness of the consequences of the injuries and, potentially, increasing the quantum of his damages. I am sure too that the defendant must have intended thereby to interfere with the administration of justice. There is no other explanation for making such false statements. Equally, and for the same reason, the false statements verified by a statement of truth in his witness statement and his schedule of loss and damage would be likely to interfere with the course of justice if persisted in. I am sure that the defendant had no honest belief in the truth of the statements he made and knew full well that these false statements were likely to interfere with the course of justice … (para 94)

The court adjourned consideration of sentence and any application to set aside the finding of contempt until 1st June 2018. Contempt of court is punishable by a fine, sequestration of assets or imprisonment. The maximum sentence for contempt is two years imprisonment (s. 14(1) Contempt of Court Act 1981).

https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2018/0...im/#more-37544

RichardCoulter · 11-05-2018, 19:24

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Originally Posted by ianch99

You need to get down off that high horse, Richard. Saying how important you are and that you know information that you "cannot share" adds nothing to the debate.

You posted an article relating to a single individual of India ethnicity. No mention of any family let alone of their criminal activity. You then posted a remark mentioning greed in the context of genetics and people. There was only one way to interpret this remark in the context of your thread. I was actually in India at the time so your post was irritating to say the least.

I was not being "PC" or "trolling". I have a number of close friends who are Indian so was angered by your remark.

You then bring in disability into to this thread and accuse me of not showing concern for the disadvantaged. Shame on you.

Enough, let's get this back on topic ...

At no point have I said "how important" I am. It's you that started making false allegations about my character and I suggest that you now cease and desist.

It was you that made an error and, instead of accepting it with good grace, laboured the point afterwards.

The initial topic did not involve his family and there was no reason for them to be mentioned. After the post that you misinterpreted was reported, I was then asked by admin and confirmed this for you, but again confirm that I will not be divulging personal information to satisfy your prying as it would be as innapropriate as it could be a contempt of court and hinder the course of natural justice.

There has only you that has brought his ethnicity into the debate, nobody else believes it to be relevant.

My disability is relevant as I have made no secret of the fact that I have cognitive problems caused by brain injury, yet all you have to offer by way of support is discord coupled with false allegations.

You have still not condemned this man for fraudulently trying to obtain the largest amount on record from the NHS, instead preferring to focus on his race.

If you did but know it, this sort of behaviour does the left wing more harm than good.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Back in topic, in the Public Domain, sentencing/possible appeal has been adjourned until 1st June.

https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2018/0...im/#more-37544

Thanks Hugh, so now we know that the 1st June was the correct date. His current imprisonment must be a result of bail being denied.

ianch99 · 11-05-2018, 22:06

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

At no point have I said "how important" I am. It's you that started making false allegations about my character and I suggest that you now cease and desist.

It was you that made an error and, instead of accepting it with good grace, laboured the point afterwards.

The initial topic did not involve his family and there was no reason for them to be mentioned. After the post that you misinterpreted was reported, I was then asked by admin and confirmed this for you, but again confirm that I will not be divulging personal information to satisfy your prying as it would be as innapropriate as it could be a contempt of court and hinder the course of natural justice.

There has only you that has brought his ethnicity into the debate, nobody else believes it to be relevant.

My disability is relevant as I have made no secret of the fact that I have cognitive problems caused by brain injury, yet all you have to offer by way of support is discord coupled with false allegations.

You have still not condemned this man for fraudulently trying to obtain the largest amount on record from the NHS, instead preferring to focus on his race.

If you did but know it, this sort of behaviour does the left wing more harm than good.

I am speechless .. I do not know where to start .. so I won't.

RichardCoulter · 11-05-2018, 22:25

That's good to hear, when in a hole......etc.

Getting back to the salient point of the thread, this man attempted to defraud the NHS out of a massive £836,000.

What are your thoughts about this Ian?

**Hugh** · 12-05-2018, 00:10

Richard, I have been told by someone who’s a close family friend (but can’t say who, because, you know, but they’re fairly senior in the Crown Prosecution Service in Yorkshire) that the person who told you things couldn’t have told you things that weren’t publicly available because that would have been illegal, breaching the DPA 1998 (giving out information about someone that was personal information but not in the Public Domain), or, if they were in Law Enforcement (Judges, Lawyers, Magistrates, Police, etc.), they would have been in breach of the Official Secrets Act 1989.

RichardCoulter · 12-05-2018, 00:25

Don't worry, no laws have been broken and it's staying that way.

Do you condemn this man for trying to steal from the NHS? I think it was a horrid thing to do.

**Hugh** · 12-05-2018, 13:33

Good to know, and I’m glad you believe that.

I condemn theft by anyone from anyone.

RichardCoulter · 12-05-2018, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Good to know, and I’m glad you believe that.

I condemn theft by anyone from anyone.

It's not a belief, it's factual.

It's good to see you finally condemn what this individual tried to do as opposed to focussing on unrelated issues.

**Hugh** · 12-05-2018, 17:44

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It's not a belief, it's factual.

It's good to see you finally condemn what this individual tried to do as opposed to focussing on unrelated issues.

Richard, you appear to have me confused with someone who cares what you think of them.

Of all the people in the world I care about, an internet rando doesn’t even begin to be judged to get an invite for a spot on the waiting list to be considered for a preview for the application process to be deemed appropriate for inclusion.

Hope that helps...

RichardCoulter · 12-05-2018, 19:14

What on Earth was all that in aid of?

I'm surprised at you Hugh.

TheDaddy · 12-05-2018, 20:40

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What on Earth was all that in aid of?

I'm surprised at you Hugh.

Perhaps he just finds you rather unpleasant

RichardCoulter · 12-05-2018, 21:14

Whatever the reason, it's very disappointing to see him reduce himself to this level.

Adults should be able to debate in a polite and professional manner, perhaps he's had a bad day and sees someone in my circumstances as an easy target to vent his anger. I genuinely thought that he had more about him.

Mr K · 12-05-2018, 21:39

I think you undermined yourself with post #5 Richard and it went downhill from there.

RichardCoulter · 12-05-2018, 23:37

Just checked and it's true that there was a minority of participants in the thread who (by fault or design) misinterpreted this post, but that's been cleared up now.

**Hugh** · 13-05-2018, 12:21

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Whatever the reason, it's very disappointing to see him reduce himself to this level.

Adults should be able to debate in a polite and professional manner, perhaps he's had a bad day and sees someone in my circumstances as an easy target to vent his anger. I genuinely thought that he had more about him.

And there you go again...