R.I.P Alfie Evans 'Dies’ after life support ends

Absolute disgrace this country and it’s messed up bullshit rules and litigation.

I hope the Italian Government take international legal action against U.K., for the apparent manslaughter against one of their citizens, what an embarrassment this country and it’s shameful healthcare deathcare is.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

No one OWNS a child. They are not PROPERTY.The parents have rights but they NEVER,EVER supersede those of the child.

I was once told that every child in this country is technically the property of the queen. As such, parents are merely guardians and this is how children can be taken into care if parents don't look after them properly.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I was once told that every child in this country is technically the property of the queen. As such, parents are merely guardians and this is how children can be taken into care if parents don't look after them properly.

You may have been misinformed.

Swans, yes - children,no...

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

Absolute disgrace this country and it’s messed up bullshit rules and litigation.

I hope the Italian Government take international legal action against U.K., for the apparent manslaughter against one of their citizens, what an embarrassment this country and it’s shameful healthcare deathcare is.

I'm sorry Mick, I disagree. Even the ECHR rejected an appeal. As I said before this is a very emotive case as a child is involved. Don't forget the doctors and nursing staff have feelings too and the decision end life support would not have been taken lightly.

Originally Posted by Mick

I hope the Italian Government take international legal action against U.K.

I suspect the Italian Governmanr has more sense.

I dont know why you are getting so wound up and making silly statements about our healthcare, but from my POV, our health system is fantastic, and has taken great care of my daughter for 20 years. I think you need to take a bit of a chill pill.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I suspect the Italian Governmanr has more sense.

I dont know why you are getting so wound up and making silly statements about our healthcare, but from my POV, our health system is fantastic, and has taken great care of my daughter for 20 years. I think you need to take a bit of a chill pill.

What health system would spend one hundred thousand on a device to save my life and a whole lot more besides plus twenty five thousand twice on two other devices in these last 18 years.

[pip08456]

I'm still trying to figure out how Italian doctors know they can treat an undiagnosed condition.

Surely you have to know what you are treating first.

I would also add that since the beginning of April all the legal manoeuvres and publicty have been handled and paid for by an American Christian Group as has happened in previous similar cases.

http://www.christianconcern.com/christian-legal-centre

http://www.briefreport.co.uk/news/al...e-5706798.html

Originally Posted by Paul M

I suspect the Italian Governmanr has more sense.

I dont know why you are getting so wound up and making silly statements about our healthcare, but from my POV, our health system is fantastic, and has taken great care of my daughter for 20 years. I think you need to take a bit of a chill pill.

The healthcare system has saved my life and that of my younger brother, I’m not knocking it in that sense, its helped millions, but it does not have the right to dictate and or control a child over the parents wishes. It should be permissible for parents to decide the child’s fate, not the State or Doctors.

Where would Ashya King be right now, if his parents had not have abducted their own child to have treated abroad?

Ashya is now cleared of cancer, but he would have died had they not done what they did.

[heero_yuy]

It does seem very harsh that the parents couldn't have one last try at a cure. Even though the prognosis was very dire. It wasn't going to cost the UK taxpayer anything extra and would have bought closure to the parents. Who knows miracles sometimes happen?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

The healthcare system has saved my life and that of my younger brother, I’m not knocking it in that sense, its helped millions, but it does not have the right to dictate and or control a child over the parents wishes. It should be permissible for parents to decide the child’s fate, not the State or Doctors.

Where would Ashya King be right now, if his parents had not have abducted their own child to have treated abroad?

Ashya is now cleared of cancer, but he would have died had they not done what they did.

Chalk and cheese Mick Even the chief paediatrician at Southampton hospital said at the time

"Refusing treatment for a child is exceptionally serious. This is a young lad who has a very, very good chance of survival if he receives rapid treatment."

It was normal treatment he was referring to. The parents wanted something different.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32013634

Also worthy of note Ashya had a diagnosed condition Alfie did not.

And they had every right to choose something different.

Yet they had to sneak him abroad, even though he was 'their' child and they become international criminals overnight, thankfully the UK's requests for extradition where denied when they were finally arrested.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

And they had every right to choose something different.

Yet they had to sneak him abroad, even though he was 'their' child and they become international criminals overnight, thankfully the UK's requests for extradition where denied when they were finally arrested.

I agree wholeheartedly but he had a diagnosed condition which another hospital offered a perhaps, quicker prognosis based on the condition.

In Alfie's case his condition was undiagnosed so how any other hospital can say they can treat him is beyond me.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It does seem very harsh that the parents couldn't have one last try at a cure. Even though the prognosis was very dire. It wasn't going to cost the UK taxpayer anything extra and would have bought closure to the parents. Who knows miracles sometimes happen?

Exactly, Alfie's brain condition was undiagnosed, how the hell can decisions, where it literally is life or death, be made on guess work?

Doctors did not expect Alfie to live off his ventilator, yet were left 'gobsmacked' when they finally removed it when he carried on breathing...

Doctors do get things wrong, they are not miracle workers all the time and it should be right that parents get a second opinion and if necessary, in another country.

The other thing is that he already had significant brain damage that even a cure for the condition itself wouldn’t have cured him unless you can reverse brain damage.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

Exactly, Alfie's brain condition was undiagnosed, how the hell can decisions, where it literally is life or death, be made on guess work?

Doctors did not expect Alfie to live off his ventilator, yet were left 'gobsmacked' when they finally removed it when he carried on breathing...

Doctors do get things wrong, they are not miracle workers all the time and it should be right that parents get a second opinion and if necessary, in another country.

Yet not just British courts but also the ECHR thought of the child first.