[Update] Cyclist convicted of "wanton and furious driving"

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Silly only because for a huge cadre of cyclists they will break the rules so there's no point suggesting they should.

In the broader sense: some ordinary people break some of the rules some of the time but all people don't break all of the rules all of the time. Cyclists are just ordinary people.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kursk

In the broader sense: some ordinary people break some of the rules some of the time but all people don't break all of the rules all of the time. Cyclists are just ordinary people.

But the question here is specific, not generic. The specific behaviour of a cadre of cyclists is what is under criticism here.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But the question here is specific, not generic. The specific behaviour of a cadre of cyclists is what is under criticism here.

Ah, I see your point. Specifically, I have heard that 4 years ago someone had a spat with a person who had a bike. A cadre of wronged pedestrians is stewing. Well, specifically, one at least. Good heavens.

[richard s]

Just a few stats on why helmets matter.


https://www.headway.org.uk/get-invol...cycle-helmets/


https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/9/3/266

[denphone]

Originally Posted by richard s

Just a few stats on why helmets matter.


https://www.headway.org.uk/get-invol...cycle-helmets/


https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/9/3/266

When we went up to Bournemouth a few weeks ago for a daytrip there was a sign that said sadly 5 cyclists had died in this area and by it there was another sign that said the words please wear a helmet as it might save your life.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by richard s

Just a few stats on why helmets matter.
https://www.headway.org.uk/get-invol...cycle-helmets/
https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/9/3/266

There are so many stats and opinions on the use or non-use of helmets that it's possible to spend a lot of time posting contrary links.

Originally Posted by denphone

When we went up to Bournemouth a few weeks ago for a daytrip there was a sign that said sadly 5 cyclists had died in this area and by it there was another sign that said the words please wear a helmet as it might save your life.

Not sure there's any correlation between the two signs? There is so much we don't know about the deaths.

I’ve never seen any stats supporting the proposition that it’s safer not wearing a bike helmet.

Always willing to be educated, though.

[Kursk]

Not sure if you're referencing my comment about the use or non use of bike helmets; if you are it is not only a safety issue. In Australia and New Zealand, where there are compulsory helmet laws, there has been a 30 to 50% drop in the number of people cycling. This statistic is courtesy of Olympic Gold Medallist, Chris Boardman.

I suppose it might be 'safer' if we all (vehicle drivers, buggy owners, pedestrians, skateboarders, roller skaters, drinkers etc) wore helmets but that's just silly.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Not sure if you're referencing my comment about the use or non use of bike helmets; if you are it is not only a safety issue. In Australia and New Zealand, where there are compulsory helmet laws, there has been a 30 to 50% drop in the number of people cycling. This statistic is courtesy of Olympic Gold Medallist, Chris Boardman.

I suppose it might be 'safer' if we all (vehicle drivers, buggy owners, pedestrians, skateboarders, roller skaters, drinkers etc) wore helmets but that's just silly.

Looks like a plan to me.

[denphone]

Great cyclist Chris Boardman was l am not sure one can take him seriously in regards to safety.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...programme.html


l would rather listen to someone with far more common sense and a clear regard for safety.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45312756

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-thomas-392189

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Looks like a plan to me.

Obesity and pollution looks a better plan eh? At least you’ve let the cat out of the bag: you don’t want ‘safer’ cycling, you want less cycling to suit your selfish preference.

Originally Posted by denphone

l would rather listen to someone with far more common sense and a clear regard for safety

Ride a bike yourself Den?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Ride a bike yourself Den?

That would be pretty difficult given my ongoing multiple comorbidities and disabilities but in a ideal world if l was capable of riding a bike a helmet would be the second thing l would buy after a bike as its better to be safe rather then sorry.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Obesity and pollution looks a better plan eh? At least you’ve let the cat out of the bag: you don’t want ‘safer’ cycling, you want less cycling to suit your selfish preference.

[SEPH]: Something like that.




Ride a bike yourself Den?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Kursk

In the broader sense: some ordinary people break some of the rules some of the time but all people don't break all of the rules all of the time. Cyclists are just ordinary people.

I don't normally agree with Kursk but he seems one of the few here with a sense of perspective. All transport types have their fair share of idiots. Cyclists are no worse than car drivers ..

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I don't normally agree with Kursk but he seems one of the few here with a sense of perspective. All transport types have their fair share of idiots. Cyclists are no worse than car drivers ..

l am not disagreeing with that view but a driver/passengers in a road vehicle have a reasonable protection for them where cyclists without helmets don't.