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Old 14-09-2017, 22:00   #406
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Sounds like you don't much like teachers then
Really? Tell that to my eldest son. He is one and I'm very proud of him. Unlike the 'teacher' who victimised the MP's child he'd never resort to such abuse but I note you have nothing to say about that.

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Teachers are to be respected but it doesn't mean the odd bad apple doesn't get though, of course they do as they do with any other profession.
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Old 14-09-2017, 22:07   #408
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Really? Tell that to my eldest son. He is one and I'm very proud of him.

Sorry to burst your little bubble.
Your words (in bold) seemed to convey a view that teachers get too much good press. And what "little bubble" would that be ?
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Your words (in bold) seemed to convey a view that teachers get too much good press. And what "little bubble" would that be ?
No they don't they convey that we get a lot of good press about teachers doing a hard job and that ought to include rooting out the sort of 'teacher' who'd resort to bullying a pupil which is at the top of the list when it comes to professional ethics. I asked where the profession's condemnation of this is and I'm still waiting. FYI my son thinks it's appalling.
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No they don't they convey that we get a lot of good press about teachers doing a hard job and that ought to include rooting out the sort of 'teacher' who'd resort to bullying a pupil which is at the top of the list when it comes to professional ethics. I asked where the profession's condemnation of this is and I'm still waiting.
Be patient dear. Clearly if true then that behaviour is to be deplored. I know a lot of teachers and none would ever behave like that.
But how am I supposed to know what the professions spokespeople are thinking ?

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Clearly if true then that behaviour is to be deplored. I know a lot of teachers and none would ever behave like that.
So do I which is why the professional body ought to make that clear and condemn what this one did. Teachers are supposed to set an example irrespective of their politics. This one didn't so what's the problem with the unions saying so?

I'll be patient dear, let's see how long it is before this rogue teacher is brought to book shall we. I'd suggest that if it hadn't been a 'fair game Tory' target that clarity would have come a lot quicker.

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Be patient dear. Clearly if true then that behaviour is to be deplored. I know a lot of teachers and none would ever behave like that.
But how am I supposed to know what the professions spokespeople are thinking ?
We really don't know if it is true, he's got the story second hand from his son. Kids can exaggerate for dramatic effect, so can politicians. Dragging your son into a political debate rather than raising it with the school isn't the way to get to the bottom of it.
Equally unacceptable is the level of abuse Diane Abbott has been subject to. People might not like her politics or the way she looks, but the level of racist abuse and threats of acid attacks reflect badly on our society. Social media should be banned, I'd vote for that.
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We really don't know if it is true, he's got the story second hand from his son. Kids can exaggerate for dramatic effect, so can politicians. Dragging your son into a political debate rather than raising it with the school isn't the way to get to the bottom of it.
Equally unacceptable is the level of abuse Diane Abbott has been subject to. People might not like her politics or the way she looks, but the level of racist abuse and threats of acid attacks reflect badly on our society. Social media should be banned, I'd vote for that.
Why should it be banned? as for some its their only contact with the outside world and what about people whose relatives live quite a long way away and that is just 2 reasons l can think of as there are many more.
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So do I which is why the professional body ought to make that clear and condemn what this one did. Teachers are supposed to set an example irrespective of their politics. This one didn't so what's the problem with the unions saying so?

I'll be patient dear, let's see how long it is before this rogue teacher is brought to book shall we. I'd suggest that if it hadn't been a 'fair game Tory' target that clarity would have come a lot quicker.
Yes there's clearly a conspiracy against fair game tories by sandal wearing teachers. I'll say again IF true then the teacher is completely out of order and should be disciplined.
However the site you linked to with its jaunty bunting of "Tories" and Union Jack logos might just have a slight bias to the facts possibly. Not saying it isn't true, but haven't heard of it being reported elsewhere.
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Why should it be banned? as for some its their only contact with the outside world and what about people whose relatives live quite a long way away and that is just 2 reasons l can think of as there are many more.
What's wrong with the phone or email Den? Social media just seem to bring out trolls and general nastiness.
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What's wrong with the phone or email Den? Social media just seem to bring out trolls and general nastiness.
Not everybody uses the phone or email Mr K.

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What's wrong with the phone or email Den? Social media just seem to bring out trolls and general nastiness.
Mr K you're not Jacob Rees Mogg in disguise are you , maybe we should all still converse via quill pens on the finest vellum like he probably does .
I do agree with the social media comment but it's the way it is, i'm sure we've always had trolls but it's just so much easier to be one nowadays.
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Mr K you're not Jacob Rees Mogg in disguise are you , maybe we should all still converse via quill pens on the finest vellum like he probably does .
I do agree with the social media comment but it's the way it is, i'm sure we've always had trolls but it's just so much easier to be one nowadays.
I can assure you I'm nothing like The Hon Member for the Early 20th Century ! I don't want everyone to know my inner most thoughts at every point in the day, and I'm not interested in theirs ! No wonder we don't produce anything any longer we're too bust tweeting and facebooking crap.
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Yes there's clearly a conspiracy against fair game tories by sandal wearing teachers. I'll say again IF true then the teacher is completely out of order and should be disciplined.
However the site you linked to with its jaunty bunting of "Tories" and Union Jack logos might just have a slight bias to the facts possibly. Not saying it isn't true, but haven't heard of it being reported elsewhere.
Are you saying that the MP lied? The site I linked to is irrelevant. The clip came from a House of Commons debate not some dodgy website edit. Bob Stewart actually said more than was in the Guido clip.

Interesting how, despite what I've said, you've extrapolated it to talk about a conspiracy by sandal wearing teachers when I didn't say that and all I've asked for is that the teacher responsible is called to account. I'd say that's reasonable so please don't put words in my mouth, it's the sure sign of a lost argument.

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Are you saying that the MP lied? The site I linked to is irrelevant. The clip came from a House of Commons debate not the website.
As others have noted the MP is reporting second hand what his child told him about an alleged event in class as presumably the MP wasn't there at the time.
So we don't know if it's true, a childs slant on something that was said or complete make believe.
If it is true then it's awful, don't know what else there is to say.

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I know Mr K, thankfully
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