31-05-2021, 11:15
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
I'm not sure why 100% resistance is being held up as the bar when the Government (and others) use the term vaccine escape to describe reduced efficacy.
As I said to Pierre his ludicrous binary approach would have a vaccine that works 10% of the time as "working". That said, given he considers Coronavirus "mild" and continues to wilfully downplay the pandemic, it's no real surprise that he extends his ignorance to vaccine escape.
However his blind optimism usually results in disappointment so I take some comfort from that.
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You can’t help yourself can you?
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31-05-2021, 11:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
That doesn't take account of intervention.
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I see, vaccination isn't intervention. Got it!
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31-05-2021, 11:19
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
She told me that the local hospitals are gearing up for in increase in hospitalisations for COVID patients.
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Considering that this will now most likely be a seasonal illness, then we should expect an increase around from august onwards.
I would hope any and every hospital are always in a state of readiness.
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31-05-2021, 11:19
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by pip08456
I see, vaccination isn't intervention. Got it!
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That's clearly not what I said.
Those models are projections that have assumptions in them.
Vaccination is intervention. Lockdown is intervention. Unless one of those lines matches exactly what happened (forecast vaccine rollout, vaccine efficacy, levels of restrictions) it's impossible to say that the modelling was wrong.
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31-05-2021, 11:22
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
End of the day I am glad it is not people like Pierre that makes the hard choices because if it was there would have been a lot more deaths and grieving families this last 15 months.
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How do you know I’m not Matt Hancock?
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I personally do not think we are ready for back to normal and do not think we will be for a long long time but that does not mean we can not re open everything we just need to take care and we also need to be protected from those who refuse to face realities. Some form of social distancing and mask wearing needs to remain in my opinion ie antivaxxers deniers and selfish a holes can stay away from me
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So we’ll just keep continually wearing masks for the thrill it gives us, and not base it on any evidence.
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31-05-2021, 11:24
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
How do you know I’m not Matt Hancock?
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Easy.
He has advocated lockdown and restrictions.
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31-05-2021, 11:25
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Those models are projections that have assumptions in them.
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That were clearly wrong
---------- Post added at 11:25 ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 ----------
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Originally Posted by jfman
Easy.
He’s advocated lockdown and restrictions.
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Only to the face of the public.
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31-05-2021, 11:28
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
That were clearly wrong
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Grateful if you could point to the line that most closely matches our vaccine rollout, school closures and various levels of restrictions from January to date? (Oh, and also forecast a new variant).
Otherwise I’m happy to chalk this up as further baseless speculation on your part.
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31-05-2021, 11:32
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by pip08456
And still continuing.
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What is the source for your chart?
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31-05-2021, 11:38
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Just a Geek
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
How do you know I’m not Matt Hancock?
So we’ll just keep continually wearing masks for the thrill it gives us, and not base it on any evidence.
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a lot of people in the orient have worn masks due to the environment for years and years and they managed. What is wrong with taking precautions ?
Proverbs 22:3 The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it.
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31-05-2021, 11:48
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
a lot of people in the orient have worn masks due to the environment for years and years and they managed. What is wrong with taking precautions ?
Proverbs 22:3 The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it.
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Unfortunately the simplistic analysis from some works on the basis that masks aren’t 100% effective therefore they are ineffective.
Just as well they don’t think of vaccines the same way.
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31-05-2021, 11:53
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by spiderplant
What is the source for your chart?
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https://data.spectator.co.uk/
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31-05-2021, 12:06
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by pip08456
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The actual report can be found here and it appears to contain whole a shed load of information to keep all those who enjoy nitpicking through any links posted.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...r_England_.pdf
However I decided I have better, and less brain numbing, things to do on such a lovely day than do more that speed read it.
Over to someone who enjoys ploughing through government articles.
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Last edited by joglynne; 31-05-2021 at 12:08.
Reason: Trying to make sense of my own post. :D
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31-05-2021, 12:45
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
(snip)
Those models are projections that have assumptions in them. (/snip)
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Am I seeing things, or is this the first sign of admission that all the projections made by the many and varied 'experts' in the Covid scenarios are nothing more than educated guesses?
oh, and even I mentioned new variants 'arriving soon' about a week ago, they always seem to spring up nearing a lifting of restrictions
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31-05-2021, 12:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by joglynne
The actual report can be found here and it appears to contain whole a shed load of information to keep all those who enjoy nitpicking through any links posted.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...r_England_.pdf
However I decided I have better, and less brain numbing, things to do on such a lovely day than do more that speed read it.
Over to someone who enjoys ploughing through government articles.
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The problem with that government article is that it is undated - thus quite useless. Studies based on latest information are the only ones that provide potential value because outcomes are still unfolding.
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