Coronavirus

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Paul

Hmm, yes, Ive read a few more articles since, and it does seem that the £60m is extra to everything else, and apparently, still available to them.

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Hardly, hes not been in power a year yet.
However, its degenerated in the last few months.

For a party that supposedly supports business, they seem determined to destroy as many as they can.

It's the actions of the people in those areas that are destroying any businesses. If they weren't going around in such a reckless manner, transmission would still be low.
If groups of 100+ are constantly getting together, then that is more than likely to increase infection rates.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

Hardly, hes not been in power a year yet.
However, its degenerated in the last few months.

For a party that supposedly supports business, they seem determined to destroy as many as they can.

To British business, it feels like years even if it's only been months! BoJo's elitist response to hard working British business people was "F-business".

That tells you all you need to know.

[jfman]

If the Government was sincerely here to help business it'd have requested an extension to the negotiations on an EU trade deal and put in an adequate support package for businesses due to Covid.

The Poundland Pandemic Plan isn't going to work in the long term. Extending the pandemic, at greater cost to the economy in the long run.

Fundamentally the Government is here to hollow out further the shell of a state that exists - no deal and a pandemic will leave much of it to fall prey to international vultures - especially with all the cheap debt floating around.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

If the Government was sincerely here to help business it'd have requested an extension to the negotiations on an EU trade deal and put in an adequate support package for businesses due to Covid.

The Poundland Pandemic Plan isn't going to work in the long term. Extending the pandemic, at greater cost to the economy in the long run.

Exactly. It's a bit like BoJo misheard and extended the pandemic and not the withdrawal agreement!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

If the Government was sincerely here to help business it'd have requested an extension to the negotiations on an EU trade deal

Which has nothing to do with CV.

and put in an adequate support package for businesses due to Covid.

which they did do, that was typically abused by many businesses.

By now most businesses should have a covid safe method of working in place, leaving those other businesses, such as in hospitality, access to funding should they shut down.

Typically, as is human nature, we’re not all in it together. When the chips are down we’re all in it for ourselves. Reason no. 2345 why socialism is bollocks.

The Poundland Pandemic Plan isn't going to work in the long term. Extending the pandemic, at greater cost to the economy in the long run.

And lock downs shorten the pandemic do they?

Fundamentally the Government is here to hollow out further the shell of a state that exists - no deal and a pandemic will leave much of it to fall prey to international vultures - especially with all the cheap debt floating around.

Wibble

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Which has nothing to do with CV. which they did do, that was typically abused by many businesses.

That may well be true - but you cannot legitimately claim to be the Government of business when you pursue an ideological goal regardless of the economic circumstances.

By now most businesses should have a covid safe method of working in place, leaving those other businesses, such as in hospitality, access to funding should they shut down.

Eh? Most businesses? I assume you've never worked in warehouses, call centres, open plan glass buildings full of 'hot desking' with 80 staff sharing 1 microwave at lunch. And have no solution for the loss to the city centre economies from the default position of working from home for many.

Once again you're demonstrating an ignorance of the subject matter at hand and pushing your own agenda in absence of any real facts or scientific basis for doing so.

Typically, as is human nature, we’re not all in it together. When the chips are down we’re all in it for ourselves. Reason no. 2345 why socialism is bollocks.

And lock downs shorten the pandemic do they?

It did for New Zealand, China, South Korea and many others.

Wibble

I'm unsure the value and/or purpose of this comment - I presume you don't contend that this is the genuine aspiration of the Government but that begs the question of what it will do that is good for British jobs, the British economy, the taxpayer, living standards or any other barometer by which the country could conceivably be considered a 'success'.

It's little wonder you admire this Government so much given the parallels of you both floundering from one incoherent position to another with no real goal in mind.

241 deaths today - remind me how high does it have to go before you consider it a problem?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Eh? Most businesses? I assume you've never worked in warehouses, call centres, open plan glass buildings full of 'hot desking' with 80 staff sharing 1 microwave at lunch. And have no solution for the loss to the city centre economies from the default position of working from home for many.

In a warehouse it should be easy to set up a safe system of working........amazon seem to be doing well don’t they? Call centres? absolutely, already being done successfully. Offices? Ours have already been back safely for weeks. Microwave? Make sandwiches at home, it’s not difficult.

Then those firms not using furlough, leave the funds available for the city centre cafes to access.

Once again you're demonstrating an ignorance of the subject matter at hand and pushing your own agenda in absence of any real facts or scientific basis for doing so.

on the contrary you are the ignorant one. As evidenced in your above Paragraph
Citing how difficult it is for firms to employ safe systems of work, when they’ve already doing it.........

I'm unsure the value and/or purpose of this comment - I presume you don't contend that this is the genuine aspiration of the Government but that begs the question of what it will do that is good for British jobs, the British economy, the taxpayer, living standards or any other barometer by which the country could conceivably be considered a 'success'.

It’s a pop culture reference, albeit a dated one, that means I regard your statement akin to deranged individual.

It's little wonder you admire this Government so much given the parallels of you both floundering from one incoherent position to another with no real goal in mind.

just shows how much attention you actually pay, nearly all my posts on this issue about the government response have been critical.

241 deaths today - remind me how high does it have to go before you consider it a problem?

No problem. 241 was a weekend bounce, but I agree rates have increased - an undeniable fact.

Highest daily total so far was 1,172 and at the peak of the pandemic, so we’re still approx at 25% of those levels

And then the NHS was not overwhelmed. Everybody that needed a bed had one, everybody that needed a ventilator had one. Current ICU beds occupied is around 620

At peak it was 3,281

So, yes I believe we have a way to go before it is a “ problem”

But what we will see now is politicians and scientific leaders actively willing numbers to go higher - otherwise they’ll look like they got it wrong or overreacted...........and we can’t have that.

[1andrew1]

Interesting insight from Christopher Hope, the Chief Political Correspondent and Assistant Editor, Daily Telegraph.

Christopher Hope Politics is crazy right now. One Tory MP just told me: "We are on the cusp of having Andy Burnham carried shoulder-high through the streets of Manchester."He has demonstrated courage and principle, hope and determination and a spirit that the British people can be proud of."

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/...28832501432320

And just seen this too:

Manchester Young Conservatives Boris has lied about helping us in the North. He needs to go.

https://twitter.com/MilneSeumas/stat...237057/photo/1

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting insight from Christopher Hope, the Chief Political Correspondent and Assistant Editor, Daily Telegraph.

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/...28832501432320

And just seen this too:

https://twitter.com/MilneSeumas/stat...237057/photo/1

So glad I’m not on Twitter

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

In a warehouse it should be easy to set up a safe system of working........amazon seem to be doing well don’t they? Call centres? absolutely, already being done successfully. Offices? Ours have already been back safely for weeks. Microwave? Make sandwiches at home, it’s not difficult.

Then those firms not using furlough, leave the funds available for the city centre cafes to access.

on the contrary you are the ignorant one. As evidenced in your above Paragraph
Citing how difficult it is for firms to employ safe systems of work, when they’ve already doing it.........


It’s a pop culture reference, albeit a dated one, that means I regard your statement akin to deranged individual.

just shows how much attention you actually pay, nearly all my posts on this issue about the government response have been critical.



No problem. 241 was a weekend bounce, but I agree rates have increased - an undeniable fact.

Highest daily total so far was 1,172 and at the peak of the pandemic, so we’re still approx at 25% of those levels

And then the NHS was not overwhelmed. Everybody that needed a bed had one, everybody that needed a ventilator had one. Current ICU beds occupied is around 620

At peak it was 3,281

So, yes I believe we have a way to go before it is a “ problem”

But what we will see now is politicians and scientific leaders actively willing numbers to go higher - otherwise they’ll look like they got it wrong or overreacted...........and we can’t have that.

Your post falls down because, as ever, you’ve responded to the points you wanted to and not the one that was actually made.

You claimed “most businesses should have a covid secure way of working” citing a small number of examples, anecdotal evidence if you will, that may not be readily transferable across the entire economy.

The reality is the vast majority are now on furlough, reduced hours or working from home. This doesn’t make for a 2019 economy, and the experience of Sweden shows that economic decline comes with people voluntarily taking risk adverse choices.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Your post falls down because, as ever, you’ve responded to the points you wanted to and not the one that was actually made.

and you fall down because you fail to respond to anything.

You claimed “most businesses should have a covid secure way of working” citing a small number of examples, anecdotal evidence if you will, that may not be readily transferable across the entire economy.

I just responded to the small number of examples you cited.

Enough of the snipping at each other.

[1andrew1]

Good news for those impacted - gyms in Liverpool are re-opening!

Gyms and leisure centres across Liverpool city region will be able to reopen after. Government u-turn on Tier 3 COVID-19 restrictions.

https://lbndaily.co.uk/mersey-gyms-r...ber-10-u-turn/

[papa smurf]

Boris Johnson sacks Tory MP Andrew Rosindell for voting against new COVID restrictions

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ictions-latest

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good news for those impacted - gyms in Liverpool are re-opening!


https://lbndaily.co.uk/mersey-gyms-r...ber-10-u-turn/

This just makes the restrictions more bizarre

[nomadking]

Lockdowns do work, IF PEOPLE OBEY THEM. That what is that worked for China and South Korea. Eg Daegu in South Korea, a city the size of Birmingham, went into VOLUNTARY lockdown because there was an outbreak caused by ONE person, who decided they weren't going to be tested or self-isolate.
New Zealand got away with things because they had LESS cases in the first place. Geography plays a part.
Link

Covid-19 cases are rising in many parts of Canada, but one region - Nunavut, a northern territory - is a rare place in North America that can say it's free of coronavirus in its communities.
...
Natural isolation is likely to be part of the reason for the lack of cases - those communities can only be reached year-round by plane.
...
In late September, there was an outbreak linked to workers who flew in from the south to a remote gold mine 160km (100 miles) from the Arctic Circle.
(Those cases are currently being counted as infections in the miners' home jurisdictions, keeping the territory's official case count at nil).
That outbreak has "almost no chance" of spreading in the community because there hasn't been any travel between the mine and any of the communities for months, says Dr Patterson.