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Old 24-07-2018, 10:24   #481
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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So the answer to environmental disaster is to build a number of potential environmental disasters to generate power for environmentally safe cars .
i'm off to the petrol station to fill up the car it runs on things that already dead .
It's an answer to the fact the country is going to face a energy crisis in the near future unless we address it. Since science hasn't yet found a way to harness the power of sarcasm we need to settle for less than perfect sources until such a time renewables can handle it all.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Here's some food for thought on the move to electric cars:

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The switch to electric cars poses a big financial problem for the government – because every time a driver switches from a petrol or diesel car to an electric vehicle, the government loses 57.95p per litre in fuel tax at every fill-up.

In total, duties on petrol and diesel add up to almost £28bn a year for the exchequer. Worse for the chancellor of the day, petrol and diesel sales make a contribution to VAT. VAT is charged at 20% of the wholesale price plus the duty, which equates to 16.7% of the final price. That’s a form of double taxation and explains why more than 65% of the cost at the pumps goes to the exchequer.

An electric car charged from the grid will currently generate just 5p in VAT for every pound spent. If the car is charged directly from solar panels on a garage roof, the Treasury is likely to go empty-handed.
Road pricing?

The motorist is too much of a milchcow for the government to let off the hook. Expect some form of revenue neutral re-taxation to take place.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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It's an answer to the fact the country is going to face a energy crisis in the near future unless we address it. Since science hasn't yet found a way to harness the power of sarcasm we need to settle for less than perfect sources until such a time renewables can handle it all.
Science hasn't managed to harness the power of fantasy boyhood dreams either
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Science hasn't managed to harness the power of fantasy boyhood dreams either
Nuclear power plants aren't a fantasy.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

The "personnel chariot" as we know it, will have to go.
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Nuclear power plants aren't a fantasy.
Safe ones are .
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Safe ones are .
Nothing in life is 100% safe but nuclear power stations are about as close as you can get.
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Nothing in life is 100% safe but nuclear power stations are about as close as you can get.
Is that a fact ?
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So at present renewable energy sources, solar or wind, cannot supply our full energy needs and to ensure that we still have nuclear and gas powered power generating stations.

Where is the, not Gigawatts, but Petawatts of power going to come from to recharge all these electric vehicles and maintain household and industrial power supply? Can the charging point infrastructure be in place nationwide well before petrol and diesel engines are banned? We don't have 22yrs to do it but considerably less as petrol and diesel are being phased out.

One more nuclear plant won't do it as what we have now is coming to end of life. Objections to nuclear will be raised not least due to what happened at Chernobyl and in Japan.
I did watch a video on Electric car use, and a neighbour of mine who owns a Tesla model S did back the video up.

The central point of the video was that electric cars are designed to be charged, probably overnight, while you (the owner) are home from work, doing the sort of stuff you normally do in the evening. The car will be fully charged in the morning. Yes, the range is probably 2-300 miles, but how many people regularly drive more than that in a day? My neighbour drives all over the country with his job, but he finds the Tesla considerably cheaper to run than a reasonably specced petrol car.

The technology isn't there yet to enable a full charge in a few minutes (whereas with petrol or diesel, you can get in the filling station, fill up, pay and be out the station in less than 5 minutes. It may be one day, but that's not where Tesla appear to think it will go. Where they are placing supercharger stations, it's usually on major roads, and usually near somewhere a person can go for the several hours it will take to recharge the car (such as a hotel or other leisure facility).

That's not to say I think the electricity grid will cope. I'm not sure it will. We have too many power stations that are near end of life, and the electricity companies do not seem interested in replacing them. It barely copes now in the winter, without the load imposed on it by 10s of thousands of electric cars charging overnight.

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Apparently so.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...y_and_security
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I did watch a video on Electric car use, and a neighbour of mine who owns a Tesla model S did back the video up.

The central point of the video was that electric cars are designed to be charged, probably overnight, while you (the owner) are home from work, doing the sort of stuff you normally do in the evening. The car will be fully charged in the morning. Yes, the range is probably 2-300 miles, but how many people regularly drive more than that in a day? My neighbour drives all over the country with his job, but he finds the Tesla considerably cheaper to run than a reasonably specced petrol car.

The technology isn't there yet to enable a full charge in a few minutes (whereas with petrol or diesel, you can get in the filling station, fill up, pay and be out the station in less than 5 minutes. It may be one day, but that's not where Tesla appear to think it will go. Where they are placing supercharger stations, it's usually on major roads, and usually near somewhere a person can go for the several hours it will take to recharge the car (such as a hotel or other leisure facility).

That's not to say I think the electricity grid will cope. I'm not sure it will. We have too many power stations that are near end of life, and the electricity companies do not seem interested in replacing them. It barely copes now in the winter, without the load imposed on it by 10s of thousands of electric cars charging overnight.

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Apparently so.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...y_and_security
to me it's a ticking time bomb until the luck runs out .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nts_by_country
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to me it's a ticking time bomb until the luck runs out .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nts_by_country
It's far from totally safe, but nothing is totally safe. It's a case of whether the benefits outweigh the costs.. The main benefit in this case being reducing global warming due to excessive use of fossil fuels, and the cost being the radiation problems caused by a Nuclear disaster.
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

Government ends incentives to buy new hybrids and cuts those for electric vehicles.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-says-industry

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Car manufacturers said the decision was an “astounding” move. It comes only three months after the transport secretary, Chris Grayling, published a Road to Zero strategy to curb vehicle emissions by promoting greener cars and three days after the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change called for an urgent switch to electric vehicles.
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Not so astounding when you consider the UK's "national interests".
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All's well that ends well you can still fill up with diesel or petrol .
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All's well that ends well you can still fill up with diesel or petrol .
While we still have some...
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