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Old 14-01-2022, 17:17   #1
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Extinction Rebellion Protesters Cleared

Extinction Rebellion: Jury clears protesters dragged off train roof

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59996870

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Two climate change activists who sat on the roof of a rush-hour train in east London have been cleared of obstructing a carriage on the railway.

The Rev Sue Parfitt, 79, and Fr Martin Newell, 54, were dragged off the Docklands Light Railway (DLR) carriage at Shadwell station on 17 October 2019.

A third activist, Philip Kingston, 85, superglued his hand to the train.
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The verdict comes after four people were recently cleared of criminal damage over toppling the statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol and throwing it in the harbour.
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Last month, the Anglican priest admitted she was "surprised" to avoid jail for blocking the M25.

She was one of seven members of Insulate Britain who were handed suspended sentences for breaching an injunction and being in contempt of court. Two others were jailed.
Oh well, at least it will make anyone thinking of doing similar sit up and take notice of the possible consequences
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Protesters Cleared

That's jury trials finished then.
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A third activist, Philip Kingston, 85, superglued his hand to the train.
It's a pity the driver etc hadn't seen that and just took off.
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That's jury trials finished then.
Probably replaced by Sue Grey investigates...
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Protesters Cleared

Does that mean we can all behave like that to things we object to? Or is it yet another in the long list of principles that are only selectively applied?
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Does that mean we can all behave like that to things we object to? Or is it yet another in the long list of principles that are only selectively applied?
No - neither case has set a precedent.

If you behave the same way, if you’re arrested & charged, you’ll face a jury of your peers just like these people did. After that, it’s up to the jury.
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No - neither case has set a precedent.

If you behave the same way, if you’re arrested & charged, you’ll face a jury of your peers just like these people did. After that, it’s up to the jury.
Juries are meant to decide things on the basis of LAW, not what they pick and choose. Would you like your fate to be based upon what a jury liked or disliked?
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Juries are meant to decide things on the basis of LAW, not what they pick and choose. Would you like your fate to be based upon what a jury liked or disliked?
I answered your question - you can’t copy their behaviour without the likelihood of being charged.
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No - neither case has set a precedent.

If you behave the same way, if you’re arrested & charged, you’ll face a jury of your peers just like these people did. After that, it’s up to the jury.
Postcode jury, then.
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Postcode jury, then.
No more than any other jury trial…
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Protesters Cleared

But being charged in the first place can depend on whether the CPS consider that a jury would convict you.
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If you behave the same way, if you’re arrested & charged, you’ll face a jury of your peers just like these people did. After that, it’s up to the jury.
These days its up to what twitter etc tells the jury.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion Protesters Cleared

I have no problem with the right to demonstrate. But it should be unlawful to impede people from going about their lawful business.
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But being charged in the first place can depend on whether the CPS consider that a jury would convict you.
Erm, that statement is not congruent with actuality, for a number of reasons.

A) In the two cases being discussed, the CPS decided to prosecute - by your "logic", they would not have done that.

B) One of our best friends (known them nearly 40 years, god-parents to each others’ children, go on holiday with them once or twice a year (three times this year, making up for last year )), is a Regional Crown Prosecutor for the CPS - she points out that they decide to prosecute based on two stages
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Does the evidence provide a realistic prospect of conviction? That means, having heard the evidence, is a court more likely than not to find the defendant guilty? And;

Is it in the public interest to prosecute? That means asking questions including how serious the offence is, the harm caused to the victim, the impact on communities and whether prosecution is a proportionate response.
She also pointed out that since they don’t know who would be in the Jury for any given case, how could they judge if that jury would convict?
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I have no problem with the right to demonstrate. But it should be unlawful to impede people from going about their lawful business.
Rubbish.

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