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Old 14-01-2022, 12:36   #106
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

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Countries requiring a vaccine against things like Yellow Fever, Polio and so on as a requirement for entry have been around for ages.

And there are exemptions Djokovic would have qualified for if he didn't lie on his entry form.
Thatís strange, because Iíve never been asked about what vaccines Iíve had when visiting another country.

Regardless. A Judge is interviewing him tomorrow, hopefully to overturn this immoral and pathetic, disgraceful and tyranny behaviour. Had Trump done this, you and others would be foaming at the mouth.

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You must be seething then at the Nationality and Borders Bill where the UK Home Secretary can alone strip UK citizens of their nationality with no right of appeal if it is 'too difficult' to notify them
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Thatís strange, because Iíve never been asked about what vaccines Iíve had when visiting another country.
The UK isn't considered an at-risk country for anything so few countries require from us but a lot of the Southern Hemisphere, including Australia, require a vaccine against Yellow Fever to enter if you're from somewhere that has Yellow Fever. A lot of Africa requires it from everyone.
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

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Had Trump done this, you and others would be foaming at the mouth.
Pretty sure Damien would be congratulating Trump on making a rare sensible decision. Once he'd pinched himself and realised it wasn't a dream!
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

Hysterical,

A country deciding & enacting it’s own immigration policy, being lambasted by someone who voted for something that will enable the same thing to happen in our country.

Oh you poor Syrian refugee, you can’t come in, you’re a drain on our resources
Ah anti vax spouting nutjob tennis player, come on it…..
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

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Hysterical,

A country deciding & enacting itís own immigration policy, being lambasted by someone who voted for something that will enable the same thing to happen in our country.

Oh you poor Syrian refugee, you canít come in, youíre a drain on our resources
Ah anti vax spouting nutjob tennis player, come on itÖ..
Hysterical nothing.

This is nothing to do with immigration so donít bother to trying to conflate the two issues because they are different.

This is about vaccination status to enter a country. Nothing else.

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Hysterical,

A country deciding & enacting itís own immigration policy, being lambasted by someone who voted for something that will enable the same thing to happen in our country.

Oh you poor Syrian refugee, you canít come in, youíre a drain on our resources
Ah anti vax spouting nutjob tennis player, come on itÖ..
Also, he is pro-choice, not an anti-vaxxer, at the end of the day, itís none of your business, what he chooses to do, especially based on a vaccine that does nothing to stop transmission of Covid-19.
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

Informative article from The Sydney Morning Herald HERE

So many inconsistencies about the Serb......
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

All this concern over a tennis player, not one word about Midget Gems
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

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Stop it with the stupid names.

So Australia is now a Banana Republic of absolute tyranny. A judicial ruling, unilaterally overturned by a single minister. Should not be legally allowed.

A professional world number 1 player, discriminated against because of his medical status. Two world wars and we go back to this disgrace of a dictatorship.
You’d never get Ministers in the UK seeking to thwart the independence of the judiciary.

Is Novak not getting thrown out for being an illegal immigrant in the sense he achieved a visa through deceit?
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Youíd never get Ministers in the UK seeking to thwart the independence of the judiciary.

Is Novak not getting thrown out for being an illegal immigrant in the sense he achieved a visa through deceit?
His visa has been unilaterally revoked by a minister after it being granted it back by a Judge - any wrong doing on Novak's part, surely has to be ruled by the judiciary again, innocent until proven guilty, or did you conveniently forget this part to fit yours and others immoral narrative, that it is ok to forbid entry on medical grounds for a vaccination that does nothing to stop transmission.
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Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz

His visa hasn’t been revoked for that reason. I’m not being “immoral”, but it’s blatantly obvious Novak gamed the situation by faking a positive Covid test with the relevant authorities in his homeland for the purposes of of obtaining a visa.

He’s been found out because he didn’t isolate at home - a crime in Serbia punishable by a fine or community service.

It’s moved beyond the vaccine passport phase of the argument.

If he wanted to cheat the system he should have at least isolated in line with local restrictions. Had he done that he’d be playing tennis next week.

I accept the points about little/no valid case for a vaccine passport where vaccines don’t stop transmission - but at this point that’s irrelevant. He lied on his forms for entry a fact he plainly admits.

If that merits being chucked out that’s a matter for Australia and their Ministers. They’re a democracy if substantial amounts of Australians disagree then they can vote for someone else.

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Also, he is pro-choice, not an anti-vaxxer, at the end of the day, itís none of your business, what he chooses to do, especially based on a vaccine that does nothing to stop transmission of Covid-19.
Novak had a choice though. He had more than one choice.

He could have chosen to get the vaccine and meet the eligibility rules easily for Australia and he chose not to do so.

Even then having, apparently, got COVID in December he could have chosen not to travel abroad in the 14 days prior and he could have chosen not to do an interview with L'Equipe whilst positive - a choice he didn't give the journalists - but he chose not to do so.

Then he chose to lie on his immigration form.

So now Australia have chosen to kick him out.
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His visa hasnít been revoked for that reason. Iím not being ďimmoralĒ, but itís blatantly obvious Novak gamed the situation by faking a positive Covid test with the relevant authorities in his homeland for the purposes of of obtaining a visa.

Heís been found out because he didnít isolate at home - a crime in Serbia punishable by a fine or community service.

Itís moved beyond the vaccine passport phase of the argument.

If he wanted to cheat the system he should have at least isolated in line with local restrictions. Had he done that heíd be playing tennis next week.

I accept the points about little/no valid case for a vaccine passport where vaccines donít stop transmission - but at this point thatís irrelevant. He lied on his forms for entry a fact he plainly admits.

If that merits being chucked out thatís a matter for Australia and their Ministers. Theyíre a democracy if substantial amounts of Australians disagree then they can vote for someone else.
Then the point I make yet again, which you have conveniently ignored is that, if he has done wrong then let it be handled by a court of law, not a minister making a decision off the whim.
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Hysterical nothing.

This is nothing to do with immigration so donít bother to trying to conflate the two issues because they are different.

This is about vaccination status to enter a country. Nothing else.

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Also, he is pro-choice, not an anti-vaxxer, at the end of the day, itís none of your business, what he chooses to do, especially based on a vaccine that does nothing to stop transmission of Covid-19.

I'll withdraw anti vaxe however nutjob remains

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/05/nov...science-babble

it's also none of your business what the Australian government choose to do.

My opinion of him is just as pertinent as your opinion of the Australian government.
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Then the point I make yet again, which you have conveniently ignored is that, if he has done wrong then let it be handled by a court of law, not a minister making a decision off the whim.
Itís not a point Iíve ignored but if the law gives Ministers powers and rights to exercise those powers independently of the judiciary then thatís the prerogative of lawmakers in any land.
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Novak had a choice though. He had more than one choice.

He could have chosen to get the vaccine and meet the eligibility rules easily for Australia and he chose not to do so.

Even then having, apparently, got COVID in December he could have chosen not to travel abroad in the 14 days prior and he could have chosen not to do an interview with L'Equipe whilst positive - a choice he didn't give the journalists - but he chose not to do so.

Then he chose to lie on his immigration form.

So now Australia have chosen to kick him out.
Then again, it should be handled by a court of law or are you just happy for checks and balances to be ignored and now support communism by the back door and Australia becoming a Banana Republic ?

Additionally - Why would he want to take a vaccine that does nothing to stop transmission and could potentially have side effects that he does not want, being a healthily sporting athlete - that is his choice, he is not effecting anyone else by not getting vaccinated, any more than a vaccinated person is. Because both can equally pass on the virus.
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