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Old 14-12-2021, 20:00   #601
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Re: Coronavirus

The vaccine passports makes no sense imho

Those who are unvaccinated and present an LFT are in fact giving better ‘live’ data than those Presenting their app or nhs letter

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Not sure we’re not disagreeing with each other here?
Perhaps I misread, if so apologies. I thought you were implying that they are a 100% effective at preventing severe disease
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BREAKING: MPs back vaccine passports by 369 to 126 - big Tory rebellion
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How many times do I have to repeat the line?

Vaccination does not stop transmission?

I’m not interested in, likely, could be, maybe…. Vaccinations only stop serious illness. Nothing more. Vaccinated are still carriers and can still pass on Covid. “Less likely”, is rubbish mantra.
No one said "Vaccination does not stop transmission" so I am not sure what you are on your high horse about.

Vaccines reduce the chances of a collection of people, in a closed environment, transmitting the virus. That is a fact, no ifs or buts. The idea of the passports is, I suspect, to apply this logic to indoor spaces and so reduce the onward transmission and so, in turn, reduce the load on the health service resources.
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The vaccine passports makes no sense imho

Those who are unvaccinated and present an LFT are in fact giving better ‘live’ data than those Presenting their app or nhs letter
That counts to the passport doesn't it?

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BREAKING: MPs back vaccine passports by 369 to 126 - big Tory rebellion
That's bigger than the worst-case projections made last night, all the more worrying for Johnson that the perception was the rebellion would be smaller than that tonight after his speech to the 1922 committee.
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How many times do I have to repeat the line?

Vaccination does not stop transmission?

I’m not interested in, likely, could be, maybe…. Vaccinations only stop serious illness. Nothing more. Vaccinated are still carriers and can still pass on Covid. “Less likely”, is rubbish mantra.
Sorry Mick but you’re absolutely wrong. The nuances, the percentages, are critical to how we plan our way through this. Blunt statements like “vaccinated are still carriers” are unhelpful as well as factually inaccurate. The best data available says that most double-jabbed individuals *are not* carriers of the delta variant. The best data so far suggests that most triple-jabbed individuals *are not* carriers of omicron. By demanding that people don’t offer the statistics in their posts you’re simply demanding that people don’t provide the evidence that shows you’re wrong. That’s hardly a reasonable way of carrying on a discussion.
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That counts to the passport doesn't it?

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That's bigger than the worst-case projections made last night, all the more worrying for Johnson that the perception was the rebellion would be smaller than that tonight after his speech to the 1922 committee.


Does it ? An LFT shows you either actively do or do not have the virus at the time you took the test. The app just shows you have had 1,2 or 3 doses of a vaccine. It doesn’t show if you’re currently infected.
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Does it ? An LFT shows you either actively do or do not have the virus at the time you took the test. The app just shows you have had 1,2 or 3 doses of a vaccine. It doesn’t show if you’re currently infected.
Exactly. This makes no sense. The evidence they’re useful is just not there.

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Does it ? An LFT shows you either actively do or do not have the virus at the time you took the test. The app just shows you have had 1,2 or 3 doses of a vaccine. It doesn’t show if you’re currently infected.
COVID passport also has a negative LFT test in the last 48 hours as a valid pass.
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COVID passport also has a negative LFT test in the last 48 hours as a valid pass.

Regardless of where things are stored an LFT give a better live data set as to if someone is infected or not.

The LFT result in the app was says as of this date I either have or havent tested positive for covid

The vaccine component says I’ve received x doses of vaccines or here’s my QR etc. it gives no information as to whether the person is currently infected or not.

I vehemently disagree with mick and I believe the vaccine significantly reduces the chances of infection. Therefore, make everyone take a lateral flow test. They can all be stored in the app. Simple’s
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Sorry Mick but you’re absolutely wrong. The nuances, the percentages, are critical to how we plan our way through this. Blunt statements like “vaccinated are still carriers” are unhelpful as well as factually inaccurate. The best data available says that most double-jabbed individuals *are not* carriers of the delta variant. The best data so far suggests that most triple-jabbed individuals *are not* carriers of omicron. By demanding that people don’t offer the statistics in their posts you’re simply demanding that people don’t provide the evidence that shows you’re wrong. That’s hardly a reasonable way of carrying on a discussion.
Vaccinated are still carriers it is not a wrong statement to say, saying it should be helpful because you can be blindsided in to believing that you cannot pass on covid, as a vaccinated person, when you most certainly can.

No evidence has been shown that I am wrong because I am absolutely not wrong, given the experiences I live with day to day in a healthcare setting and quite frankly, you ought to know me by now that I stand by what I post on here and the fact remains, vaccination does not stop transmissions regardless of what some dodgy statistics says from hardly a reputable source.
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Vaccinated are still carriers it is not a wrong statement to say, saying it should be helpful because you can be blindsided in to believing that you cannot pass on covid, as a vaccinated person, when you most certainly can.

No evidence has been shown that I am wrong because I am absolutely not wrong and quite frankly, you ought to know me by now that I stand by what I post on here and the fact remains, vaccination does not stop transmissions regardless of what some dodgy statistics says from hardly a reputable source.
Nobody is saying they stop transmission.

They're saying it reduces transmission by making it less likely you'll catch it and reducing the period in which you're infected if you do get it (i.e you recover faster).

If it didn't do this. The vaccine wouldn't work. The numbers would be higher.
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When brakes are applied just before a car crash, they often lessen the impact, but don’t stop it - still worth applying the brakes, though…
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Regardless of where things are stored an LFT give a better live data set as to if someone is infected or not.

The LFT result in the app was says as of this date I either have or havent tested positive for covid

The vaccine component says I’ve received x doses of vaccines or here’s my QR etc. it gives no information as to whether the person is currently infected or not.

I vehemently disagree with mick and I believe the vaccine significantly reduces the chances of infection. Therefore, make everyone take a lateral flow test. They can all be stored in the app. Simple’s
Sure the LFT is safer (although people can lie on it).

But I don't think they want to go that far yet. They're just playing the numbers game by accepting some proportion of the vaccinated will still be carriers but it's small enough that's it not worth disrupting events/hospitality to account for it.
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Nobody is saying they stop transmission.

They're saying it reduces transmission by making it less likely you'll catch it and reducing the period in which you're infected if you do get it (i.e you recover faster).

If it didn't do this. The vaccine wouldn't work. The numbers would be higher.
No but you and others keep saying it reduces it, no it does not, not in any significant way and I say this working on the front line and seeing this rubbish be totally untrue FFS.
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