Hamas Israel War

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Explain

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Gaza is effectively part of Israel. Looking through the lens of Ultra-Zionism, I guess it makes sense to want the to ship some of the Palestinians to Egypt. However, Egypt is not Palestine.

Ultra-Zionism is an often religiously motivated movement to extend the State of Israel to subsume the Palestinian territories, aligning with a perceived goal of reclaiming the "Promised Land" of the Old Testament.

The Palestinian Authority seeks the West Bank as the heartland of a future independent state and so the current Likud administration, the most hard-line for years, is actively countering this:

Netanyahu government makes West Bank settlement expansion its priority

Any expansion of Gaza would have to come from Egypt. Israel can't be blamed for Gaza's geographical location.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Any expansion of Gaza would have to come from Egypt. Israel can't be blamed for Gaza's geographical location.

Israel can absolutely be blamed for it’s location and expansion. They aren’t some passive actor, or a victim of chance, when they seize Palestinian land to give it to Israeli settlers.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Any expansion of Gaza would have to come from Egypt. Israel can't be blamed for Gaza's geographical location.

You really know very little about this subject.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Any expansion of Gaza would have to come from Egypt. Israel can't be blamed for Gaza's geographical location.

You may find this informative

https://www.britannica.com/place/Gaza-Strip

[jfman]

That’s the Israelis onto air strikes on refugee camps taking in the Palestinians fleeing their homes.

I presume the “you must condemn Hamas before you can speak of Israeli war crimes” brigade will be out any minute now to unequivocally condemn this.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

That’s the Israelis onto air strikes on refugee camps taking in the Palestinians fleeing their homes.

I presume the “you must condemn Hamas before you can speak of Israeli war crimes” brigade will be out any minute now to unequivocally condemn this.

Don't hold your breath. Only actions against Israel seem to have a mandate for condemnation.

Originally Posted by jfman

That’s the Israelis onto air strikes on refugee camps taking in the Palestinians fleeing their homes.

I presume the “you must condemn Hamas before you can speak of Israeli war crimes” brigade will be out any minute now to unequivocally condemn this.

The deliberate targeting of civilians by any military force should be condemned.

I look forward to your condemnation of the same…

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The deliberate targeting of civilians by any military force should be condemned.

I look forward to your condemnation of the same…

“Any military force” sounds a bit Corbyny to me.

Originally Posted by Hugh

The deliberate targeting of civilians by any military force should be condemned.

I look forward to your condemnation of the same…

Exactly! How about we look around the world and see just how many powder keg situations exist at present that both east, west,north and south are covering their ears and eyes to. How many people on both sides of any of those situations are desperate for those in charge to just shut the f*** up and start to looking at finding ways to make peace.

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

terrorists?

BBC calls them militants.

Sky calls them Hamas fighters as well as militants.

What people forget is Israel is an occupying force, . Build settlements in occupied land, which is against international law. Would you fight if England was occupied or just let them get on with the occupation. Reason Britain or usa will not complain of this, is the Jewish vote in both countries.

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Originally Posted by noel43

What people forget is Israel is an occupying force, . Build settlements in occupied land, which is against international law. Would you fight if England was occupied or just let them get on with the occupation. Reason Britain or usa will not complain of this, is the Jewish vote in both countries.

[Ms NTL]

@noel43

I agree with you but I don't participate in this thread. Chris's thread title is bigoted, no major non-Israeli news organization call Hamas terrorists.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Gaza is reliant on Israel because of it's geographical location and it seems to be overcrowded. Not a lot of scope to build an economy, unless Egypt is going to hand over some territory.

…. or take Gaza back.

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

I agree with you but I don't participate in this thread.

and yet you just did ...

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

no major non-Israeli news organization call Hamas terrorists.

Hamas is designated as a terrorist group by the UK [and the EU] as well as the USA.

In fact, by Australia, Canada, European Union, Israel, Japan, Organization of American States, Paraguay, United Kingdom, United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

(The EU and OAS is over 50 countries in total)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

@noel43

I agree with you but I don't participate in this thread. Chris's thread title is bigoted, no major non-Israeli news organization call Hamas terrorists.

Well his bias permeates almost every post he makes on the subject you can’t really exempt a thread title. He’s not had much to say about his hypothetical Russian link in the OP, and even less to say about arms from Ukraine turning up in the Middle East.

However it’s important to challenge where people seek to censor opposing thought through their use of language - such as the obligation to criticise Hamas before being permitted to criticise Israel. They’ll criticise opponents for playing the “both sides” card yet are unable (or unwilling) to criticise Israeli actions on their own merit when they are the most egregious breaches of international law and condemned universally by human rights organisations.

Conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism another classic of the genre.

It is possible to criticise both sides - you should try it…

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Originally Posted by jfman

“Any military force” sounds a bit Corbyny to me.

If that’s your default viewpoint, most things would…