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On the contrary … the UK government’s refusal to accept unprecedented interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state has forced the petulant ideologues of the EU to start behaving like adults. About time too.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Chris

On the contrary … the UK government’s refusal to accept unprecedented interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state has forced the petulant ideologues of the EU to start behaving like adults. About time too.

Acting like 5 yr olds who have lost their comfort blanket

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

My understanding is that the following ended with Brexit
"The Dublin III Regulation enabled the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU Member States without considering their asylum claims."
Per: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-9031/

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It sounds like you're agreeing with me. In essence, Farage has got BoJo where the opposition is currently unable to get him - by the short and curlies.

So it didn't mean 1st safe country they entered then as you first posted. Make your mind up what it is!

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Someone had to act like a responsible adult here and that was unlikely to be BoJo.

Maybe the EU felt sory for us? Since December 2019, the UK's economy has contracted by 11.3% with a budget deficit of 14.3% whilst the Eurozone economy has contracted by 6.9% with a deficit spending of 7.2%. The UK has by far the lowest growth rate of the G7.
https://tradingeconomics.com/

Your love of the EU is reaching the point of overflowing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

On the contrary … the UK government’s refusal to accept unprecedented interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state has forced the petulant ideologues of the EU to start behaving like adults. About time too.

BoJo is behaving like a badly-behaved kid at the supermarket. Having agreed with his mother that he will get a KitKat if he behaves himself, he has thrown all his toys out of the trolley and is trying to fill it with more sweets everytime he passes some. He's even threatening to start eating them now if his poor mother trys to take hem off him.

NI's sovereignty is intrinsically different from Great Britain's. The Good Friday Agreement puts this in black and white yet David Frost is now calling his own agreement an afront to sovereignty. However, despite many on this forum and elsewhere applauding the last-minute Brexit deal, wiser folk recalled the saying "act in haste and repent at your leisure".

Brussels has done the adut thing by postponing legal action and hopefully BoJo will mature over the summer.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

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Brussels has done the adut thing by postponing legal action and hopefully BoJo will mature over the summer.

"Brussels has at last done the adult thing...." would have improved your statement.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

"Brussels has at last done the adult thing...." would have improved your statement.

Hopefully, we can agree that BoJo signed a deal that he did not intend to honour, his being of a perfidious disposition.

Will he sort it out or will he kick the can down the road and leave it for Gove or Starmer to sort out?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hopefully, we can agree that BoJo signed a deal that he did not intend to honour, his being of a perfidious disposition.

Will he sort it out or will he kick the can down the road and leave it for Gove or Starmer to sort out?

Whilst we both share a disdain for Boris, we differ fundamentally on the EU.

My preference would have been to walk away and rebuild bit by bit according to what would be mutually beneficial. Trust would quickly be built and quid-pro-quos would result.

However, that's not what happened. I surmise (and stress that this is only my view and in no way authoritative), that the trade deal was signed so that the car manufacturing commitments could be established.

What is happening now is that NI Protocol appears to meet Trade Deal. I'm pretty sure that the Trade Deal is not being breached. It's that wretched NI Protocol, signed before the Trade Deal, that's now exercising both sides.

The EU's latest announcement, suspending legal action, is indeed breathing space which needs to be wisely used by both sides. I doubt that the EU is beginning to see things our way unless Ireland has been leaning on them. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hopefully, we can agree that BoJo signed a deal that he did not intend to honour, his being of a perfidious disposition.

Will he sort it out or will he kick the can down the road and leave it for Gove or Starmer to sort out?

You know this bojo stuff is a big part in letting him off the hook, this infantilisation of him calling him boris, bojo etc just plays to his bumbling child act, he's an adult and needs to start being held accountable, for instance boris doesn't do detail, wtf, if it was johnson doesn't do detail people would be on the streets demanding he does or else and rightly so imo

[Carth]

I've always been under the impression that all the work, preparation and finer details are done by those around the PM, and he's just the one that appears on TV and the photo shoots.

A bit like a marionette really, you see him performing but you know it's really someone else pulling the strings.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Carth

I've always been under the impression that all the work, preparation and finer details are done by those around the PM, and he's just the one that appears on TV and the photo shoots.

A bit like a marionette really, you see him performing but you know it's really someone else pulling the strings.

Yeah I get the feeling he thought that's what the jobs all about to, must have come as a mighty shock when he realised it isn't, like when he was expected to work weekends

[tweetiepooh]

Wonders if Boris is following the Zaphod BeebleBrox Presidential Policy? After all the function isn't to wield power but to distract attention from those that do?


More seriously you wouldn't expect any PM to know all the "details", that's what ministers and the civil service are for. I wouldn't say someone else is controlling him but he is the public face for a load of faceless bureaucrats. Trouble for him though is that if it fails then it's his fault but if it all works it's the hard work of those on the ground.

[Sephiroth]

Boris is likely to be in toss-up mode (in more ways than one).

Enjoy the dosh he has previously earned as a journo/hack vs being in charge of a ship he can't manage. I hope he's displaced very soon.

[tweetiepooh]

According to reports Boris is wealthy but cash-poor and that is a problem and why he ends up in trouble over funding "personal" things that really aren't that much of a problem at all. I think he is doing alright and hope he stays in place for some time.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

According to reports Boris is wealthy but cash-poor and that is a problem and why he ends up in trouble over funding "personal" things that really aren't that much of a problem at all. I think he is doing alright and hope he stays in place for some time.

I'd rather have Boris rather than "Mr hindsight" Kier Starmer.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'd rather have Boris rather than "Mr hindsight" Kier Starmer.

You lot won't agree with me, nor will the rest of the Tpry MPS: John Redwood for PM.

It would be difficult to find the perfect Tory candidate for PM. Imo, least worst and would prolly do a good job, is Dominic Raab.