Brexit (Old)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Brexit: 'No deal' planning is well under way, says minister

Contingency plans in case the UK has to leave the EU with no deal in place are "well under way", a minister has said.

Dominic Raab said while the UK had to "strive for the very best outcome" from Brexit negotiations, it had to "prepare for all eventualities".

The Sunday Telegraph claimed there were plans to "unlock" billions of pounds in the new year to prepare for a "no deal" Brexit, if talks make no progress.

Six months of Brexit negotiations have not led to a significant breakthrough.

This is from oct 2017

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41544588

Still nothing more then a politicians words and of course he is not in a government job now is he..

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:


Theresa May has killed off hopes of a second referendum today by saying there's no way we can stay inside the bloc.

In a Commons grilling by MPs this morning, she insisted that "being inside the EU is not an option" and she would only consider how to move forward in a way that respects the result of our historic 2016 vote.

She told MPs on the Liason Committee that Britain would NOT become poorer after we leave - but couldn't say that growth won't be as much as it would be inside the bloc.

Mrs May vowed: "The point is being inside the EU is not an option, we have to look at what is the best option outside the EU.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Still nothing more then a politicians words and of course he is not in a government job now is he..

He resigned from the position a couple of weeks ago ,so no deal preparation will still be current and viable.

[OLD BOY]

So what should Theresa do now?

Clearly, she is intent on getting us out of Europe, but she needs to think about what she needs to do next to regain her credibility on this subject.

She needs to prepare for her Withdrawal Agreement to be rejected by the House of Commons, so she needs to name the three options there are left and explain how they will be voted on.

Perhaps the best way is for the first vote to be on the Withdrawal Agreement. If that is voted down, which seems likely, the next vote should be on a temporary EFTA/EEA membership to apply during the implementation period. If that is voted down, as also seems likely, there would be no further votes and preparations would be made for a 'clean' Brexit.

At least, that process will concentrate minds on the means of delivering Brexit. I really cannot think of a different approach that will show the people of this country that she was the only one actually able to get on with this. Talk about keeping her head when everyone else has been losing theirs!

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

He resigned from the position a couple of weeks ago ,so no deal preparation will still be current and viable.

When you take over a new job, you don't necessarily ditch all the work of your predecessor. You take on board what you consider to be relevant and either change or ditch the rest.

Best not to jump to conclusions.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

He resigned from the position a couple of weeks ago ,so no deal preparation will still be current and viable.

More like a shambles one would imagine would be their no deal preparation as befits the last two years.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So what should Theresa do now?

Clearly, she is intent on getting us out of Europe, but she needs to think about what she needs to do next to regain her credibility on this subject.

She needs to prepare for her Withdrawal Agreement to be rejected by the House of Commons, so she needs to name the three options there are left and explain how they will be voted on.

Perhaps the best way is for the first vote to be on the Withdrawal Agreement. If that is voted down, which seems likely, the next vote should be on a temporary EFTA/EEA membership to apply during the implementation period. If that is voted down, as also seems likely, there would be no further votes and preparations would be made for a 'clean' Brexit.

At least, that process will concentrate minds on the means of delivering Brexit. I really cannot think of a different approach that will show the people of this country that she was the only one actually able to get on with this. Talk about keeping her head when everyone else has been losing theirs!

I'm sure TM is grateful for your advice as she's an avid reader of Cable Forum

Of course even if we do choose a different path we'd still have to get the EU to agree, which people seem to be forgetting. Still that's usually easy .....

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm sure TM is grateful for your advice as she's an avid reader of Cable Forum

Of course even if we do choose a different path we'd still have to get the EU to agree, which people seem to be forgetting. Still that's usually easy .....

The only thing we would need the EU to agree if we rejected the Withdrawal Agreement would be a trade deal. The EU have made very clear that they want a tariff free trade deal with the UK.

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Originally Posted by denphone

More like a shambles one would imagine would be their no deal preparation as befits the last two years.

Well the 'shambles' was caused by the lack of a Conservative majority and the desire from within the party to make a bold move forward that they believe would be more beneficial to the country.

On a matter of such importance to the country, it is not surprising that passions have been high. There is a lot at stake.

Things should settle once a decision is made on the way forward. Hopefully we will know by Christmas, and we can just get on with it.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So what should Theresa do now?

Clearly, she is intent on getting us out of Europe, but she needs to think about what she needs to do next to regain her credibility on this subject.

She needs to prepare for her Withdrawal Agreement to be rejected by the House of Commons, so she needs to name the three options there are left and explain how they will be voted on.

Perhaps the best way is for the first vote to be on the Withdrawal Agreement. If that is voted down, which seems likely, the next vote should be on a temporary EFTA/EEA membership to apply during the implementation period. If that is voted down, as also seems likely, there would be no further votes and preparations would be made for a 'clean' Brexit.
.

I think some will push for 'Norway for now' if the bill is voted down. After that who knows? I think they might struggle to get a majority for anything leaving us coming back to 'the deal'.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Looking at the comments you've been making since joining this thread I've found them really condescending some kind of one-upmanship aimed towards those that wanted to vote out.

We have spain, macron , italy and the EU council themselves to name a few.

We talk about having our cake and eating it, well why not the EU are doing the exact same. It's not even about trade it's about the divorce it's what the EU want from the UK in order to leave. They are happy to take but return nothing in favour, Divorce doesn't work like that.

I certainly don’t intend to be condescending, however I struggle to understand he emotive terminology that is persistently being used as if other countries are making some kind of personal slur in negotiations when in practice they are quite reasonable concessions to bring to negotiations.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well the 'shambles' was caused by the lack of a Conservative majority and the desire from within the party to make a bold move forward that they believe would be more beneficial to the country.
On a matter of such importance to the country, it is not surprising that passions have been high. There is a lot at stake.

I think if you replace the word "country" with "Conservative Party" you get a more accurate description of events.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think some will push for 'Norway for now' if the bill is voted down. After that who knows? I think they might struggle to get a majority for anything leaving us coming back to 'the deal'.

I think there is even less support for the Norway EEA/Efta than for the withdrawal agreement, but who knows? Things could change radically when the choice is put before the House. I think we will end up crashing out, actually. Not a bad thing in many ways, except for the initial disruption to frictionless trade.

Don't believe those forecasts for the economy, by the way. Jacob Rees Mogg gave a succinct explanation of why these forecasts would be proved wrong yesterday.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think if you replace the word "country" with "Conservative Party" you get a more accurate description of events.

Well you might say that, but my impression is that most people just want to get on with Brexit. When we voted, we simply voted to leave, and the leavers on the whole were pretty clear what that meant. It is the 'remoaners' who have been trying to muddy the waters and we should not be having any more truck with them. They have been trying very hard to make a mess of this and it is them we should also blame for the 'shambles' that some keep referring to on here.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from OLD BOY:


I think we will end up crashing out, actually. Not a bad thing in many ways, except for the initial disruption to frictionless trade.

It would stop the uncertainty. Businesses would know that EU trade after next March would be like trading with the rest of the world.

May's hokey cokey plan would just extend the uncertainty for another two years and then what? More cries of "cliff edges" More delay and confusion. More kicking the can down the road.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think there is even less support for the Norway EEA/Efta than for the withdrawal agreement, but who knows? Things could change radically when the choice is put before the House. I think we will end up crashing out, actually. Not a bad thing in many ways, except for the initial disruption to frictionless trade.

Don't believe those forecasts for the economy, by the way. Jacob Rees Mogg gave a succinct explanation of why these forecasts would be proved wrong yesterday.

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Well you might say that, but my impression is that most people just want to get on with Brexit. When we voted, we simply voted to leave, and the leavers on the whole were pretty clear what that meant. It is the 'remoaners' who have been trying to muddy the waters and we should not be having any more truck with them. They have been trying very hard to make a mess of this and it is them we should also blame for the 'shambles' that some keep referring to on here.

Yes, we should always listen to a back-bencher who has never held any committee or cabinet position - he will be have all the facts to hand, and not have any bias in any way...

His grasp of numbers isn't very strong - he couldn't add up to 48, could he? (he said he had the number of letters to the 1922 Committee, which turned out to be not congruent with reality).

He said that "The overwhelming majority - 87% - of British companies do not trade with the European Union" - true, but 60% of British companies are not registered for VAT or PAYE, so they probably don't export to anywhere, and the 13% of companies that do export to the EU export 247 billion worth of good and services. I would believe his figures more if he filled in gaps, showing how much the 87% exported, and to where.

This is a man who took his nanny canvassing with him when he was 27, fgs - I wouldn't trust him with my beer money, never mind the economy.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes, we should always listen to a back-bencher who has never held any committee or cabinet position - he will be have all the facts to hand, and not have any bias in any way...

His grasp of numbers isn't very strong - he couldn't add up to 48, could he? (he said he had the number of letters to the 1922 Committee, which turned out to be not congruent with reality).

He said that "The overwhelming majority - 87% - of British companies do not trade with the European Union" - true, but 60% of British companies are not registered for VAT or PAYE, so they probably don't export to anywhere, and the 13% of companies that do export to the EU export 247 billion worth of good and services. I would believe his figures more if he filled in gaps, showing how much the 87% exported, and to where.

This is a man who took his nanny canvassing with him when he was 27, fgs - I wouldn't trust him with my beer money, never mind the economy.

Have you been spending it today?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Have you been spending it today?

One should never judge others by one's own predilections - it's called transference...