Election 2019 - Week 5

Originally Posted by papa smurf

So his mother must have put him on the floor if a seat was provided.

Exactly, then took a photo and then went straight to the Mirror with it, for Labour Propaganda.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Hard to lay down and sleep on a chair...

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/le...-four-17385357

Then simple, you put them on your lap, it's not hard Hugh!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The Chief Medical Officer at the LGI must be mistaken, then?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-50713236

He WAS put in a bed, but somebody who had an actual need was put in it instead.
It was the mother who put him on the floor.
Link

Jack was taken into Leeds General Infirmary last week after being ill for six days, his mother told the Mirror.
His mother said he had been seen as soon as he arrived and given a bed and oxygen, but a few hours later the bed had to be given to another patient and Jack was left without one for more than four hours.
His mother said she then made a makeshift bed for her son with coats and took the picture.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Hard to lay down and sleep on a chair...

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/le...-four-17385357

That would suggest he was triaged. Found not to be at risk and moved. Where he was, was needed for someone more in need so he was moved.

This just smacks of the usual bollocks come election time.

It's worth pointing out the hospital isn't confirming or even suggesting it's fake, instead they've apologized and seem to have accepted it's happened.

There is a load of Facebook and Twitter accounts - none of whom seem to be verified NHS staff - flooding those respective networks with the suggestions it's fake. Many of whom claim to have 'friends' working in the hospital who are making these accusations.

[Pierre]

Indeed, there is a lot of social media chatter about it.

https://trending-uk.com/hashtag/leedshospital

And the activists organising a rabble

https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/h...ospital-visit/

It seems to me, that the boy was taken to A&E, he was seen and triaged and found to be neither an accident or an emergency. Whether he was initially given a bed or not, who knows. Rather than being held by his mother he was laid on the floor, not ideal, but if he didn’t “need” a bed then he didn’t need one.

This has been seized upon by a Labour activist, all power to the, as it has worked. But I think you’ll find this story disappears quickly as it is found to be fake.

What was real, and very poor, was Johnson’s handling of it.

Originally Posted by Damien

It's worth pointing out the hospital isn't confirming or even suggesting it's fake, instead they've apologized and seem to have accepted it's happened.

There is a load of Facebook and Twitter accounts - none of whom seem to be verified NHS staff - flooding those respective networks with the suggestions it's fake. Many of whom claim to have 'friends' working in the hospital who are making these accusations.

Apparently there are a couple of hundred twitter/FB users who have a good friend who is a nursing sister at the LGI, and all used exactly the same words when they posted...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...009262592.html

btw, another reason for doubting the validity of the "good friend who's a nursing sister at Leeds Hospital" is that no one in Leeds calls it "Leeds Hospital" - it's the LGI (or Jimmy's for the other main hospital, St James).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Indeed, there is a lot of social media chatter about it.

https://trending-uk.com/hashtag/leedshospital

And the activists organising a rabble

https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/h...ospital-visit/

It seems to me, that the boy was taken to A&E, he was seen and triaged and found to be neither an accident or an emergency. Whether he was initially given a bed or not, who knows. Rather than being held by his mother he was laid on the floor, not ideal, but if he didn’t “need” a bed then he didn’t need one.

This has been seized upon by a Labour activist, all power to the, as it has worked. But I think you’ll find this story disappears quickly as it is found to be fake.

What was real, and very poor, was Johnson’s handling of it.

Having seen the footage, it looks like Boris froze because he realised he was being pulled into a trap. He wanted to explain what he was doing about the NHS before looking at the photograph. I think most people will see through this for what it was - a political stunt, and shame on the mother for using her son in this way.

A nurse appeared on Radio 5 Live this morning to report that through her contacts with other nurses at the hospital, the staff were furious about this and said they would never place the child on the floor- that is not how they were trained. The child was not on a bed, in line with the claim made, but was on a trolley. The mother took him off the trolley, laid him on a pile of coats on the floor and took a photo, then put it out there.

How cynical can you get? Judging by the calls to the radio station that I heard (I had to turn off after 5 minutes), the public have sussed this out for what it is. Clearly, the Labour Party is getting desperate now.

[jonbxx]

So the photo on the front of The Mirror yesterday was pretty bad press for the government so it looks like the right thing was done by sending Matt Hancock there to look into it. If, as people are saying this was a hoax and would never have happened and staff were furious about it, I would have imagined he would have found that out and be alerting the world to how low people would sink to make a political point. We have heard nothing...

So, what are the possibilities?;

• The photo was real and a shocking indictment of the state of the NHS
• Matt Hancock didn't get to the bottom of what happened and failed in his job
• This situation somehow benefits the Conservative cause

I wouldn't rely on a large number of people who have a good friend who is a senior nursing sister and Leeds Hospital to refute the claim

[papa smurf]

Woops it's an own goal
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...-stand-corbyn/

A LABOUR bigwig has been caught out saying voters “can’t stand” Jeremy Corbyn and revealing his fears for national security under him in a bombshell leaked tape.

Shadow Health Secretary Jon Ashworth admitted Labour’s chances of winning seats in the North were “abysmal” and that he “can’t see” Mr Corbyn getting to No10.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Woops it's an own goal
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...-stand-corbyn/

A LABOUR bigwig has been caught out saying voters “can’t stand” Jeremy Corbyn and revealing his fears for national security under him in a bombshell leaked tape.

Shadow Health Secretary Jon Ashworth admitted Labour’s chances of winning seats in the North were “abysmal” and that he “can’t see” Mr Corbyn getting to No10.

You can see him trying to squirm out of it in a live TV interview this morning:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50726592

And during the BBC’s Daily Politics this lunchtime, which played back the recording to him live on air:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/10/a...politics-live/

Ashworth is smug even for a Labour MP. This really couldn’t have happened to a nicer person.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Having seen the footage, it looks like Boris froze because he realised he was being pulled into a trap. He wanted to explain what he was doing about the NHS before looking at the photograph. I think most people will see through this for what it was - a political stunt, and shame on the mother for using her son in this way.

A nurse appeared on Radio 5 Live this morning to report that through her contacts with other nurses at the hospital, the staff were furious about this and said they would never place the child on the floor- that is not how they were trained. The child was not on a bed, in line with the claim made, but was on a trolley. The mother took him off the trolley, laid him on a pile of coats on the floor and took a photo, then put it out there.

How cynical can you get? Judging by the calls to the radio station that I heard (I had to turn off after 5 minutes), the public have sussed this out for what it is. Clearly, the Labour Party is getting desperate now.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/le...-four-17385357

Jack and his worried mum were ‘blue-lighted’ to Leeds General Infirmary after she returned to the doctors as Jack had not improved.

He was seen “very quickly” and given a bed and oxygen in A&E.

A few hours later she was told the bed was needed for another patient.

“A doctor rushed in and said they needed Jack’s bed and literally within a minute all of his stuff was pulled out of the bed," she said.

"The doctor unplugged his oxygen, picked him up and moved us into what I would describe as a cupboard.

"They call it a treatment room. It was a room without a bed.

"His oxygen was connected to the wall but he did not have a bed and he was really unwell.

"He kept asking to lay down. He was without a bed for four-and-a-half hours.

“He needed to go to sleep and he needed to lay down. He started falling asleep and he ended up going to sleep on a pile of coats.

'He just had to sleep on the floor'

“There was no bed for him in A&E and there was no bed for him on the ward, so he just had to sleep on the floor.

“The room was full of medical supplies. Doctors and nurses were coming in constantly saying ‘sorry, can I just take this, can I just take that.

“I don’t have any issues with the doctors and the nurses, they were really lovely people and I want to make that clear.

“I was just feeling despair. He was so ill and I didn’t know why he was ill.

"I thought if he has got pneumonia, laying on a cold floor is not going to do him any good. He was so grey, he looked so ill.”

At 10pm Jack was taken to the hospital’s Children’s Assessment and Treatment Unit, where he was put on a trolley for five hours and had a series of tests.

She said her son was “confused and exhausted”.

“He just kept saying ‘I want to go to sleep’. He was laying on a plastic mattress with a sheet of paper pulled across him.”

She added: “The problem is they (the medics) were so busy and there weren’t enough beds. They just seemed stressed and under pressure.”

At 3am Jack got a bed on the ward and slept for a few hours, with his mum sat in a seat alongside him.

The LGI Chief Medical Officer apologised for the fact there was no bed in the treatment room, only chairs - they don’t have trolleys in treatment rooms.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/le...-four-17385357

The LGI Chief Medical Officer apologised for the fact there was no bed in the treatment room, only chairs - they don’t have trolleys in treatment rooms.

Has his mother apologised for putting him on the floor and politicising him.

Yes, the Tories are all baby eating monsters, but the shadow health secretary still doesn’t think Labour can win the election ... which, incidentally, is what’s leading the news bulletins today.

It’s almost as if the country, and even the Labour Party, understands that everything is a little more nuanced than using a sick child for a political stunt.

Right, time to move on from the “apparent” sick child story.

[Halcyon]

Those of you who have voted conservative? Are you not embarrassed of your leader?


I also think it is time Jeremy Cobyne stepped down. They need a new leader.