Brexit - Page 21

Pierre · 21-03-2019, 19:53

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Indeed, but the vote was not legally binding, what's in the Statute Book is.

It was also not within their power. Some self delusion they evidenced there.

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Bloomberg reporting EU to push for 9 month extension if deal fails.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-brexit-update

Not according to Macron.

jfman · 21-03-2019, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Mick

The EU are now backtracking on prior draft extension conditions that they attached earlier today. We have them spooked on no deal.

It’s a ruse. Removing the conditions removes no deal by accident. Parliament will uncontrversially approve the extension by statutory instrument first and vote on May’s deal after doing so. That gives weeks to pursue other avenues before the new proposed exit day if May’s deal fails.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It was also not within their power. Some self delusion they evidenced there.

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Not according to Macron.

He’s pushing for early with an option to extend further according to the Guardian. He’s also chose a bank holiday in France so they get to avoid shocks to the markets. What a guy.

**Mick** · 21-03-2019, 20:07

One EU diplomat has conceded the unity of the EU27 has started to disintegrate for the first time in the Brexit negotiations.

jfman · 21-03-2019, 20:09

At least it’s over something minor. We will be back for further extensions anyway so I wouldn’t stress too much.

1andrew1 · 21-03-2019, 20:25

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Originally Posted by jfman

At least it’s over something minor. We will be back for further extensions anyway so I wouldn’t stress too much.

The EU won't want to be continuously granting us extensions though and will doubtless insist on something lengthy for a second extension.

jfman · 21-03-2019, 20:28

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The EU won't want to be continuously granting us extensions though and will doubtless insist on something lengthy for a second extension.

Possibly, but they might view uncertainty as something likely to force HoC to move on May and genuinely break the deadlock. The worst case scenario is literally no deal, after March 29th. They've demonstrated they are prepared enough to be comfortable with that and we haven't.

Keeping us in until 2021 helps them with the EU budget. Not that it's life or death, but it's free money.

pip08456 · 21-03-2019, 20:30

Any extention later than 22nd May would require the UK to hold EU elections.

jfman · 21-03-2019, 20:38

We know. A minor detail in our (the UK) desperation.

One step at a time. The first big hurdle in the minds of the public is 29th March. Once that's out the way, and everyone get's used to the fact we are still in the EU, if May's deal goes down there'll be a further (longer) extension and EU elections. As this thread demonstrates, and I'm sure it's the case with the public at large, many feel strongly about the 29th March date, it's a symbol of how Brexiteers still control our destiny.

We wouldn't want to upset everyone too much at one go. It's not easy undermining a democratic process. Polling between 1st and 11th April will be frantic.

**Chris** · 21-03-2019, 20:50

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Originally Posted by jfman

Possibly, but they might view uncertainty as something likely to force HoC to move on May and genuinely break the deadlock. The worst case scenario is literally no deal, after March 29th. They've demonstrated they are prepared enough to be comfortable with that and we haven't.

On the contrary.

pip08456 · 21-03-2019, 20:51

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It's not easy undermining a democratic process.

At least you now admit it.

Mr K · 21-03-2019, 20:52

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On the contrary.

All part of Project Fear !

1andrew1 · 21-03-2019, 20:56

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All part of Project Fear !

When I see Theresa May saying she's not worried about no-deal, I put it in the same category as her saying there won't be an election and we're definitely leaving on the 29th March.

jfman · 21-03-2019, 21:06

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On the contrary.

Chris Grayling? Andrea Leadsom? Without a name it's simply trying to influence opinion in Parliament as opposed to an accurate representation of reality.

Although I accept everyone is at it.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

At least you now admit it.

Well it isn't.

It has to be presented as the last resort. Which necessitates baby steps involving one or more extensions. If they admitted today that the intention was to run EU elections there'd, rightly, be fury around it because of the time between now and then.

There are important milestones. Passing March 29th in the EU being the first. The EU elections being another. The results of the European election will be hard to ignore if, for example, UKIP have a resounding win. You'll no doubt have the FBPE brigade trying to treat a Lib Dem vote as a remain vote. It would be the biggest test of public opinion since 2017. Emerge from that unscathed and there's arguably a "legitimate" platform to explore other options. There's no point in our politicians trying to run before they can walk, or to give the game away. One step at a time.

Hom3r · 21-03-2019, 21:19

Over on Facebook there are call to block major motorways in the UK should we still be in the EU on the 29th.

The M25 is among them.

I use the M11, but luckily I'm off shift that day.

So the way things are going I expect major traffic issues.

jfman · 21-03-2019, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Over on Facebook there are call to block major motorways in the UK should we still be in the EU on the 29th.

The M25 is among them.

I use the M11, but luckily I'm off shift that day.

So the way things are going I expect major traffic issues.

I'm sure Operation Stack will do it anyway if we left.

Hopefully they get more of a turnout than Farage and the Leave Means Leave march. I do enjoy some civil disobedience.