Brexit

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Uncomfortable, isn't it? More people signed the petition to end Brexit than voted for the Nigel Farage Party ..

*drops mic*

Formal title please.

Brexit Party Ltd.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Uncomfortable, isn't it? More people signed the petition to end Brexit than voted for the Nigel Farage Party ..

*drops mic*

It's uncomfortable watching you dig yourself into an ever deeper hole

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...YoiqiLnnEhhFKQ

What would a Brexit Party Brexit look like?

The Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage says he wants a "clean-break" Brexit, abandoning the withdrawal agreement that Theresa May's government negotiated with the EU.

It is notable that Mr Farage tended to avoid the term "no-deal" Brexit during the election campaign.

A party spokesman argued that it is a misleading term that gives a false impression.

Without a withdrawal agreement, though, most of the vast network of rules and regulations that have governed the UK's relationship with the rest of Europe for more than 40 years, whether in trade or security or other issues, would disappear overnight.

That's what a clean break would mean...

...A clean break also means - and this was a promise that appeared on a pledge card the Brexit Party produced during the campaign - that it would refuse to pay the £39bn financial settlement, or "divorce bill", that the government has agreed in order to settle past debts and future obligations to the EU.

And it means the party wants to leave the EU on - as it puts it - World Trade Organization (WTO) terms.

It sounds very simple, and it is a phrase that is also used by several contenders for the Conservative Party leadership.

But what does it mean in practice? Not a lot.

The basic rules of the WTO are really just the baseline of international trade, which don't offer more than the most rudimentary of benefits.

A lot of Brexit supporters - including the Brexit Party - argue that the UK can use something called Article 24 (of GATT - the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) to ensure that the UK can still enjoy free or frictionless trade with the EU.

It would mean no tariffs or taxes would be imposed on goods crossing borders between the UK and its largest trading partner, the European Union.

The trouble with that argument is that you can only use Article 24 if two parties are willing to make an agreement - in this case, the UK and the EU. Neither can impose it on the other.

In other words, you have to agree a deal first and the Brexit Party, along with several would-be Conservative leaders, are prepared to leave without a deal...

...Of course no deal or a "clean break" is not an end in itself. Eventually - and sooner rather than later - the two sides would have to start talking again about a future agreement.

The 27 other EU countries have already agreed that if there is no deal then the first thing they would want to talk to the UK about after Brexit would not be a trade deal.

It would be the financial settlement, citizens' rights and the Irish border - exactly those issues that are dealt with in detail in the withdrawal agreement that has been rejected three times in the House of Commons.

The Brexit Party is offering simple solutions. But the Brexit process is full of complex problems.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's uncomfortable watching you dig yourself into an ever deeper hole

Bless

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...YoiqiLnnEhhFKQ

and here lies the core of Farage's fantasy: Article 24 of GATT. If you repeat a falsehood enough times, it starts to become a belief and finally is accepted and promoted as a fact.

Chapter 1 from the Populist Playbook ..

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Originally Posted by jfman

Formal title please.

Brexit Party Ltd.

Party I grant you i.e. a fair share of Clowns and Cake

[jfman]

Haven’t heard from Bercow in a while.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08ad67f1a82afd

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...YoiqiLnnEhhFKQ

It makes for uncomfortable viewing watching Farage dig himself a hole big enough for him and his 29 MEPs.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It makes for uncomfortable viewing watching Farage dig himself a hole big enough for him and his 29 MEPs.

It's A trench, classic warfare preparations readying themselves to destroy the enemy from within it's own borders.


29 MEP'S did anyone else get that many?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's A trench, classic warfare preparations readying themselves to destroy the enemy from within it's own borders.


29 MEP'S did anyone else get that many?

I think the other 722 MEPs might outvote them, if they ever bother to turn up.

[jfman]

I love the smell of napalm in the morning... sorry I meant wartime analogies.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think the other 722 MEPs might outvote them, if they ever bother to turn up.

They don't like it up em capt mainwaring

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

They don't like it up em capt mainwaring

Yes Dad's Army just about sums up the Brexit Brigade.

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think the other 722 MEPs might outvote them, if they ever bother to turn up.

You think Brexit is the only nationalist party in Strasbourg? There are plenty of others who will vote along similar lines to them (if they ever have to attend, and let’s not forget the general idea is that electing them should reinforce Brexit).

There are enough nationalist and populist MEPs now to cause mischief if they really want to.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

You think Brexit is the only nationalist party in Strasbourg? There are plenty of others who will vote along similar lines to them (if they ever have to attend, and let’s not forget the general idea is that electing them should reinforce Brexit).

There are enough nationalist and populist MEPs now to cause mischief if they really want to.

Sometimes you have to stop being troublemakers, and actually deliver something. That why Farage keeps being found out.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Bless

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and here lies the core of Farage's fantasy: Article 24 of GATT. If you repeat a falsehood enough times, it starts to become a belief and finally is accepted and promoted as a fact.

Chapter 1 from the Populist Playbook ..

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Party I grant you i.e. a fair share of Clowns and Cake

After all this time and i’m Concerned that you and others still just don’t get it.

After 3 years, all those that voted Brexit ( and there will be some that have changed their mind, conversely there will also be Remainers that have changed their mind....i’m One) are so annoyed that you can take the piss out of Farage, you can make all the pro-Remain / anti -Brexit points etc, etc. It’s irrelevant, they want the result of the referendum enacted, and will support anyone that can deliver it.

The time for debating the pros and cons of Brexit is over, it’s been done. If you don’t know or understand what it entails now you never will. People have had enough time and positions are now well and truly entrenched.

Any “confirmatory vote” on any deal presented, would only work if the vote was accept the deal or leave with no deal.

Any other 2nd referendum would only invoked to potentially reverse the first. In my opinion I don’t believe that would be correct but if that is the direction that was taken I believe it would only be legitimate if it was on the exact same question as the first.

I’d be happy to run that again, but only if it was decided that to win Remain had to win by a margin of victory was higher than the first.

Otherwise, it wouldn’t settle the argument, that probably wouldn’ Either, but you get where i’m Coming from.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Sometimes you have to stop being troublemakers, and actually deliver something. That why Farage keeps being found out.

Do ever read what you type before sending?

Replace the last sentence with “ that’s why our Parliament has been found out”.

That is so much more accurate as they are actually in the position to deliver it, whereas Farage isn’t.

And the Dads Army jibes, As in my previous post, it’s boring now. The sly digs on both sides are boring.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don’t think anyone can speculate on anything until the new PM is announced.

So I’ll probably have a Brexit holiday until then.

See your Brexit holiday has been cut short, yet again