England/Scotland @ Euro 2008? - Page 5

Hom3r · 21-11-2007, 22:54

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cheese straws

BBKing · 21-11-2007, 23:07

Yes, Noble looks like a decent prospect. There's also James Milner making a name for himself in the U-21s, and he knows where the goal is to boot. Steven Taylor, despite also playing for an abject Newcastle side, is also doing well.

21-11-2007, 23:08

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Originally Posted by BBKing

So does Gary Lineker's. Unfortunately, neither of them is in a fit condition to pull on an England shirt - you can't build a team around crocks or the elderly.

Bring on the youth, get the decent players who've grown up, er, playing with those nasty foreigners at Arsenal (Bentley, Muamba, Walcott) or Villa (Agbonlahor, Young) etc. in. Out with the Nevilles, James, Campbell, Beckham and anyone else who'll be 31 or over come 2010 (which includes Ferdinand, so that'll be sayonara to the Bash Street Kid as well, he can take his urine sample bottle and eff off).

Worryingly, there's Gerrard, Terry and Ashley Cole who'll be 30 then, and they'll have to be the backbone of the side. Rooney, assuming the sod has learnt to stay out of the ref's face by then, had better be in there. Crouch will just about be in his prime and has the knack, his goal tonight was excellently taken. Worth his weight in cheese straws (about five stone, by the look of the lanky streak).

So that leaves about six good young team players to find, a right back, centre back (Richards/Lescott perhaps), centre midfield (Barry please, plus a bit of backup), winger who can cross it (not bloody Downing for heaven's sake, and Wright-Phillips is yet to convince me completely) and a nippy striker (Agbonlahor or Walcott will do nicely).

Oh, and the small matter of a goalkeeper - someone will be praying Foster comes good, I reckon.

My team, then:

Mystery Keeper; A Cole, Terry, Richards, A Right-Back; A Winger; Barry, Gerrard; A. Nother-Winger; Rooney; Crouch

Bench: ?, Lescott, Bentley, Walcott, Agbonlahor

Manager - someone who doesn't ditch 4-4-2 in a vital game and play people out of position.

You can cross Gerrard off of the list, to over rated by far

punky · 21-11-2007, 23:28

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Too many foreign players - rubbish.

Coming from an Arsenal fan? Never saw that one coming. Nothing to do with the fact it might put a dent in your current squad then.

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Trouble is, we're not producing enough good managers

Give any "good" managers rubbish players and you'll still get a rubbish result.

The Hitman · 22-11-2007, 00:05

Euro 2012 any takers

Russ · 22-11-2007, 07:47

Spose you guys can now keep us company next summer....

TheDaddy · 22-11-2007, 08:11

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Coming from an Arsenal fan? Never saw that one coming. Nothing to do with the fact it might put a dent in your current squad then.

Take the foreigners out of the league and what do you have left, Championship standard football, can't see the world paying billions to watch that, still if it suits your bias to watch Jenas over Fabregas and Bent over Tevez.

Imo the real problem is school boy football, rather than being taught the basics well about technique and control they are taught to lump it up the field as quick as possible and given no outlet to express themselves, it needs to be radically overhauled and brought into line with a club like Ajax's where every player is comfortable on the ball and rotates position, from about the age of 6- 13

Do what's best for the game rather than headline grabbing quick fixes that'll wreck the 'best league in the world'

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Give any "good" managers rubbish players and you'll still get a rubbish result.

Not so, Hiddink got Russia through with the same group of players all their other recent managers have failed with and of course Sven got this group of English players to quarter finals regularly

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Spose you guys can now keep us company next summer....

Home international tournament anyone?

Shadow Demon UK · 22-11-2007, 09:28

The problem is we have no back up strikers, players like Defoe, Bent and Walcott are all behind foreigners in their clubs. If they played week in week out for a club there wouldn't have been a problem playing them last night, but because they have hardly started a match between them you don't really want to start them in an important international. Even Crouch hasn't played that much for Liverpool this season, Rooney and maybe Owen when he manages to stay fit are the only strikers that England have that play week in week out for their club. I think thats the biggest problem.

Russ · 22-11-2007, 09:28

Going on England's performance last night they'd probably even fail to qualify for that!

Media Boy UK · 22-11-2007, 09:32

Will I saw Owen played for WALES under 16's

DocDutch · 22-11-2007, 09:57

didnt last long... meeting started at 8.30 and Mac gets the sack at 9.45

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/7100393.stm

TheDaddy · 22-11-2007, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

The problem is we have no back up strikers, players like Defoe, Bent and Walcott are all behind foreigners in their clubs. If they played week in week out for a club there wouldn't have been a problem playing them last night, but because they have hardly started a match between them you don't really want to start them in an important international. Even Crouch hasn't played that much for Liverpool this season, Rooney and maybe Owen when he manages to stay fit are the only strikers that England have that play week in week out for their club. I think thats the biggest problem.

Defoe had 'issues' with his manager, Bent has been injured and isn't really good enough, Walcott is still really young and has been playing, what about Ashton, Johnson and Young, they are all English and first team regulars?

Shadow Demon UK · 22-11-2007, 17:42

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Defoe had 'issues' with his manager, Bent has been injured and isn't really good enough, Walcott is still really young and has been playing, what about Ashton, Johnson and Young, they are all English and first team regulars?

Ashton - Been out for a year, not good enough at the moment because of that, one for the future.

Young - Not much experiance, one for the future.

Johnson - Not good enough in my opinion.

I actually think Bent will be good enough, when he was at Charlton he was excellent and when he has played for Spurs he's done well, if he actually starts playing first team football i think he will come good, the same for Walcott.

TheBlueRaja · 22-11-2007, 18:07

Bertie Volks is looking for a Job...

Pierre · 22-11-2007, 19:26

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Home international tournament anyone?

No, because we're crap - an embarrasment.

The jocks, taffs and spud munchers from both sides are quite capable of beating us and that would be more than poor Pierre could handle.