The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Gary L]

God. just put the man in the boot and forget about it

Originally Posted by Pierre

Because it's a civil action, by parking in the bay, you do so under the terms and conditions of the notice.

This forms a contract between you and the car park owner, if you break the terms of the contract he can charge you a penalty, set out under the terms.

If you don't pay he can take you to small claims court and get a CCJ against you.

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[B]don't forget, whatever the issue. It's always Thatchers fault..........

just throw them in when someone else blames the last government cuz its all pointless but I like to play along

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Well, he doesn't want under 25's to vote him back in. he doesn't want the unemployed to vote him back in. he doesn't want the disabled to vote him back in. he doesn't want the bedroom tax payers to vote him back in.

there's only the workers left.

From the spin it is all about the hardworkers it says so on all their flyers and logos. I also in a way do understand where they are coming from, but at the same time see I do see it from the side of the unemployed and sick.

They are working on the back of all the past history over the last couple of years of the constant brainwashing that the unemployed and sick are evil and have to pay for their sins. And it is working.

Yet those that are sick and unemployed are all for reform but not in the way they are suggesting so now we're evil and what we say doesn't mean much. The spin has worked enough to turn the workers against everyone else.

Take the Mail today, re-running a story about a family of Six saying those in work are jealous because they get everything handed to them, yet the sheeple will continue to believe them (not just mail readers). I also hear from people that are just unfortunate just to know only the scroungers, but I've yet to hear any defense if they knew what it is really like for the genuine.

I've been told that I should stop feeling sorry for myself, yet I don't in anyway feel anything for myself (I wish I did), other than feeling frustration because it is all against the unfortunate yet those that aren't affected can have a voice and it is all so clear and all so bo**ocks at the same time.

[Gary L]

There's signs that the "Hard Working People" are catching onto the con of "Hard Working People" already.

Hard working families (work harder)

So far we have Work sets you free and Work Harder.
we just need a few more cryptic clues to crack the Dave code.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Gary L

There's signs that the "Hard Working People" are catching onto the con of "Hard Working People" already.

The Hard Working People phrase would have been thought up by Dave's specialist mind control psychology team, aka Behavioural Insights Team.

It helps divide and conquer while making the employed not feel so bad about what the government are doing to the unemployed and also making it appear the Tories think in a similar way to the employed, even though Cameron's mind control team has been leading them to think that way for the last couple of years.

Originally Posted by Qtx

The Hard Working People phrase would have been thought up by Dave's specialist mind control psychology team, aka Behavioural Insights Team.

It helps divide and conquer while making the employed not feel so bad about what the government are doing to the unemployed and also making it appear the Tories think in a similar way to the employed, even though Cameron's mind control team has been leading them to think that way for the last couple of years.

you explained that very well

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Qtx

The Hard Working People phrase would have been thought up by Dave's specialist mind control psychology team, aka Behavioural Insights Team.

It helps divide and conquer while making the employed not feel so bad about what the government are doing to the unemployed and also making it appear the Tories think in a similar way to the employed, even though Cameron's mind control team has been leading them to think that way for the last couple of years.

It's all scary stuff.

and to think. we had none of this before Dave turned up.
I only hope we work out his plan before it's too late.

Originally Posted by Gary L

It's all scary stuff.

and to think. we had none of this before Dave turned up.
I only hope we work out his plan before it's too late.

No we didn't ,we had society going down the toilet ,Blair and Browns mind control team did a good job convincing people they didn't need to work and could rely on the state for everything,shame some are still too brainwashed to see any different

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Nidge41

Aren't blue badges for people who can't walk more than 20 yards unaided?

It's distance OR manner of walking OR walking speed OR time taken, and all of those have to without severe discomfort and not just in spite of it. Eg if you have to walk very slowly to avoid severe discomfort then you should qualify regardless of distance you can walk. Then there is a "danger to life or serious deterioration in health" aspect. Why does everybody get hung up on distance, when it is not the only test.

61276 One of the conditions for entitlement to the higher rate DLA mobility component is
that the disabled person is unable or virtually unable to walk (see DMG 61255).
People are considered to be unable or virtually unable to walk if their physical
condition is such that
1. they are unable to walk or
2. their ability to walk out of doors is so limited when considering
2.1 the distance over which or
2.2 the speed at which or
2.3 the length of time for which or
2.4 the manner in which
they can make progress on foot without severe discomfort, they are virtually
unable to walk or
3. the effort needed to walk would put their life at risk or be likely to lead to a
serious deterioration in their health

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

No we didn't ,we had society going down the toilet ,Blair and Browns mind control team did a good job convincing people they didn't need to work and could rely on the state for everything,shame some are still too brainwashed to see any different

Being in denial and repeating the same shallow nonsense is comforting for some folks you see. Much cosier to ignore reality and delude yourself that the 'good times' will resume where they left off if Labour are re-elected. If you say it often enough you may even start to believe it...

Originally Posted by Osem

Being in denial and repeating the same shallow nonsense is comforting for some folks you see. Much cosier to ignore reality and delude yourself that the 'good times' will resume where they left off if Labour are re-elected. If you say it often enough you may even start to believe it...

Indeed it is sad to see so many people bought by the promise of a few sweeties .The other sad thing is that these people are usually the first to scream against state control and interference ,labour must love them ,so easy to manipulate

Originally Posted by martyh

No we didn't ,we had society going down the toilet ,Blair and Browns mind control team did a good job convincing people they didn't need to work and could rely on the state for everything,shame some are still too brainwashed to see any different

Remember Thatcher made it easy to go on and stay on the sick so the high unemployment figures could be massaged

All this blame the last crew could go back to when the Whigs were still in power

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Remember Thatcher made it easy to go on and stay on the sick so the high unemployment figures could be massaged

All this blame the last crew could go back to when the Whigs were still in power

That is classic head in sand ,lets forget why we are in this situation and lets forget how the last government ruined this country .Yes Thatcher made mistakes ,all governments make mistakes but the scale of labours mistakes where Biblical and must never be forgotten

Originally Posted by martyh

That is classic head in sand ,lets forget why we are in this situation and lets forget how the last government ruined this country .Yes Thatcher made mistakes ,all governments make mistakes but the scale of labours mistakes where Biblical and must never be forgotten

head in the sand?? I only ever use the blame game in retorts for those playing the blame game

I could and will argue Labour took over after Thatcher's mistakes meaning they never had a chance now the Tories are blaming Labour when really it was Thatcher who created the mess in the first place or it could have been Callahan Wilson or Heath its all really irrelevant

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Unfortunatly it's the benefits "ratchet" effect, once it's given out it is very difficult to remove or even change as there will always be someone who "loses" and the press just love to find them to beat whichever party is in govenment with.

Sweeping the whole edifice away and replacing with a single benefit might be the way forwads to reduce the complexity but in the process some will inevitably lose out. Arguably those who shouldn't have been receiving state benefits in the first place.

Perhaps this is the price to pay for restoring welfare as a catch net to those who genuinely need it to survive, buy food, pay rent etc, rather than have all the things that those in work enjoy: Ipads, mobiles, big tellys etc.

A similar argument arises for rolling NI into income tax as it all flows into the Treasuries maw. This would make NI a more progressive* tax unlike at the moment and those under the tax threashoold would get to keep more of their (small) wages.

*Based on ability to pay.

It is not the unemployed or the sick costing the tax payer all the money

It is the fact more and more people are getting old. The NI policies have been spent and the tax payer has to pay for the elderly

The figures are out there that prove it but its a far to inconvenient a truth for most to swallow

[dilli-theclaw]

I remember when my health went bad it was the job centre who told me I was stupid going there and recommended I went on the sick.