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Old 03-07-2022, 13:58   #2941
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Is it unusual to ask witnesses if they would be prepared to testify in a court of law? Not been in that position myself but seems a sensible procedure to have.
It’s routine question asked. To testify in court, they’d be under oath, so if they’re found to be lying or give a false statement, that person would then be charged for perverting the course of justice or perjury.

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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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He'll be under oath that is usually sufficient in our court system.
I wonder how many people are currently in prison despite swearing an oath and pleading not guilty? They must be particularly upset about it if being under oath equals telling the truth. They call it perjury.

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I wonder how many people are currently in prison despite swearing an oath and pleading not guilty? They must be particularly upset about it if being under oath equals telling the truth. They call it perjury.
In this particular case though, the witness has video evidence to back up his claim. He’s safe.
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Wonder if he'll be as reputable as the bunch his father works for?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-sink-starmer
The funniest part of that is the bit that states
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According to individuals with knowledge of the video’s creation, it was Delingpole who spotted the Labour leader through the window of Durham Miners Hall.
He must have bloody good eyesight, as the Durham Miners Hall is set back over 75 metres from the road - this was pointed out to me by a few ex-colleagues who now work at Durham University...
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The funniest part of that is the bit that states

He must have bloody good eyesight, as the Durham Miners Hall is set back over 75 metres from the road - this was pointed out to me by a few ex-colleagues who now work at Durham University...
I wonder if that bit will be repeated under oath?

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It’s routine question asked. To testify in court, they’d be under oath, so if they’re found to be lying or give a false statement, that person would then be charged for perverting the course of justice or perjury.
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Many thanks.

I guess if it's a routine question then we shouldn't attach too much weight to it.

I suspect we'll hear something on the police's decision next week. Pure guess!
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I wonder how many people are currently in prison despite swearing an oath and pleading not guilty? They must be particularly upset about it if being under oath equals telling the truth. They call it perjury.
I think you are a bit confused, how many witnesses plead guilty/not guilty to a crime?

Someone accused of a crime who appears in court may not wish to testify and would not have to take an oath.
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student who filmed Beergate video has told Durham Police they will testify in court and claims event was 'entirely social'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ify-court.html



Pressure is mounting on Sir Keir Starmer over Beergate as Durham police have asked a witness if they are prepared to give evidence in court.
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I think Ivo has misinterpreted what the Police may have said to him - I discussed this yesterday with our friend (who is a Regional Crown Prosecutor with the CPS), and they thinks it’s likely that the local Police (if/when Durham Police took a statement from him) would have informed him that if it goes to Court, he may be called as a witness.

They also pointed out that the decision whether or not to prosecute would rest with the CPS, not the Police, and the CPS would contact any witnesses if a prosecution was happening.
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I think Ivo has misinterpreted what the Police may have said to him - I discussed this yesterday with our friend (who is a Regional Crown Prosecutor with the CPS), and they thinks it’s likely that the local Police (if/when Durham Police took a statement from him) would have informed him that if it goes to Court, he may be called as a witness.

They also pointed out that the decision whether or not to prosecute would rest with the CPS, not the Police, and the CPS would contact any witnesses if a prosecution was happening.
Shocked and surprised a story in there is lacking in facts, how do they get away with this shoddiness, guess it's because it's what people want to hear
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Old 03-07-2022, 19:29   #2949
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The funniest part of that is the bit that states

He must have bloody good eyesight, as the Durham Miners Hall is set back over 75 metres from the road - this was pointed out to me by a few ex-colleagues who now work at Durham University...
Come off it Hugh. There is that little bit of technology on a camera called zoom.

The video is as clear as rain, that’s Starmer holding a beer, with other people in situ. It’s a social event, Starmer should be being fined and fall on his sword.
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Pretty sure if another Party had been in power, Brexit wouldn’t have contributed to the deficit…

Good of you to point out that Brexit contributed to the rise in the deficit, though…
We always knew, and it was always made clear, that there would be transitional issues. It’s not been helped by obstructive EU behaviour.

Yes, Labour would probably ignored the people’s choice. Shame on them.

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student who filmed Beergate video has told Durham Police they will testify in court and claims event was 'entirely social'


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Pressure is mounting on Sir Keir Starmer over Beergate as Durham police have asked a witness if they are prepared to give evidence in court.
I’ve always said that Starmer’s party breach was more serious than Boris’s cake ambush. The event was held AFTER, not DURING the working day.

His penalty should be more punitive than Boris’s, but I say that without malice.
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Come off it Hugh. There is that little bit of technology on a camera called zoom.

The video is as clear as rain, that’s Starmer holding a beer, with other people in situ. It’s a social event, Starmer should be being fined and fall on his sword.
A zoom lens that can change the direction the photo is taken from?

The photos were taken directly from in front of the window; the gates at the bottom of the driveway are at (at least) a 45 degree angle to the windows…



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A zoom lens that can change the direction the photo is taken from?

The photos were taken directly from in front of the window; the gates at the bottom of the driveway are at (at least) a 45 degree angle to the windows…
The guy went snooping, presumably he was tipped off that the Labour Party was there.

I'm not sure whether he was close enough to the action to ascertain it was a social event and not a work event unless he could identify non-Labour workers there.
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The guy went snooping, presumably he was tipped off that the Labour Party was there.

I'm not sure whether he was close enough to the action to ascertain it was a social event and not a work event unless he could identify non-Labour workers there.

lmfao....
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I think you are a bit confused, how many witnesses plead guilty/not guilty to a crime?

Someone accused of a crime who appears in court may not wish to testify and would not have to take an oath.
Not confused one bit, I was commenting on someone being reliable if they take an oath in court. Many people plead not guilty, go on to give evidence (swear an oath) then proceed to tell the court a load of lies and end up being found guilty.

Also, someone who says they are willing to stand up in court and testify that the whole event was social gathering when they weren't there for the whole event (quick video through the window from outside) is pretty much admitting they're more than happy commit purgury.
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The guy went snooping, presumably he was tipped off that the Labour Party was there.

I'm not sure whether he was close enough to the action to ascertain it was a social event and not a work event unless he could identify non-Labour workers there.
Maybe he was alerted by the noise of the revellers.
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