Brexit

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean the elected MEP Anne Widdecombe who was addressing the other elected MEPs?

Stop being so pathetically narrow minded - you knew what he meant - MEP's only got to vote for one person to become European President. That is a dictatorship. The nominations happen behind closed doors in the Council, they put one name forward. Big whoopie do - how undemocratic is this bullshit?

Corrupted EU leaders chose Ursula von der Leyen as their pick to replace Jean-Claude Juncker as the leader of the European Union’s executive branch, this absolutely, despite the fact she was not even on the bloody ballot paper as a candidate and has no manifesto. Didn't you remainers quickly condemn Brexit Party recently for not having a Manifesto - when it suits I guess - which is so pathetic.

The European Council effectively ignored the European parliament’s spitzenkandidat, or “lead candidate” system, which was meant to inject an element of democracy into the selection of commission president, instead nominating the defence minister, who is largely unknown outside of Germany.

The above clearly shows the EU is not a democracy, it is a totally corrupt and disgusting institution, forced upon us because of what?

Nothing - we need to get the hell out, enough of this corrupt bollocks - we need to get out now.

[papa smurf]

Magid Magid incident highlights EU's race problem, say activists

An incident in which a black British MEP was asked to leave the European parliament on his first day highlighted the lack of racial diversity in EU politics, a campaign group has said.

The European Network Against Racism (ENAR), a network of more than 160 grassroots anti-racism organisations, said the incident reflected a wider pattern in European politics: “To be successful in EU politics, you must be white.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-say-activists

And now this

DONALD Tusk sparked uproar today after refusing to respond to the European Parliament’s criticism over his “lack of respect” for democracy during the process to find Jean-Claude Juncker’s successor.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...esident-latest

Originally Posted by Dave42

it not try living in a real dictatorship like North Korea then say that yes lots wrong with EU but it aint a dictatorship people have lots of freedoms you never ever get in a dictatorship

Stop arguing with me - The EU is a dictatorship. Nothing you say changes this.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mick

Stop arguing with me - The EU is a dictatorship. Nothing you say changes this.

That's sorted then, with the minimum of irony.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by daveeb

That's sorted then, with the minimum of irony.

Nice ...

Originally Posted by Mick

Stop being so pathetically narrow minded - you knew what he meant - MEP's only got to vote for one person to become European President. That is a dictatorship. The nominations happen behind closed doors in the Council, they put one name forward. Big whoopie do - how undemocratic is this bullshit?

Corrupted EU leaders chose Ursula von der Leyen as their pick to replace Jean-Claude Juncker as the leader of the European Union’s executive branch, this absolutely, despite the fact she was not even on the bloody ballot paper as a candidate and has no manifesto. Didn't you remainers quickly condemn Brexit Party recently for not having a Manifesto - when it suits I guess - which is so pathetic.

The European Council effectively ignored the European parliament’s spitzenkandidat, or “lead candidate” system, which was meant to inject an element of democracy into the selection of commission president, instead nominating the defence minister, who is largely unknown outside of Germany.

The above clearly shows the EU is not a democracy, it is a totally corrupt and disgusting institution, forced upon us because of what?

Nothing - we need to get the hell out, enough of this corrupt bollocks - we need to get out now.

The MEPs can veto or approve the election of the President and the Commissioners - sounds fairly democratic to me...

Originally Posted by Hugh

The MEPs can veto or approve the election of the President and the Commissioners - sounds fairly democratic to me...

Well you are clearly deaf then - They can only choose from a selection of one candidate - so no it is not - far from it!

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Originally Posted by daveeb

That's sorted then, with the minimum of irony.

Is that the best you can come up with?

Your precious EU being shown for the dictatorship that it is with undemocratic elections of the President... And you can only came back and with this nonsense?

Try harder.... Oh wait, you cannot because you cannot argue with the fact the EU is a dictatorship.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

Well you are clearly deaf then - They can only choose from a selection of one candidate - so no it is not - far from it!

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Is that the best you can come up with?

Your precious EU being shown for the dictatorship that it is with undemocratic elections of the President... And you can only came back and with this nonsense?

Try harder.... Oh wait, you cannot because you cannot argue with the fact the EU is a dictatorship.

You told him to stop arguing with you (he wasn't in my opinion) so he did.

Originally Posted by Mythica

You told him to stop arguing with you (he wasn't in my opinion) so he did.

Um - Open your eyes, I posted that to Dave42, not daveeb...

Secondly - don't interfere in matters which do not concern you. I have told you about this before.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Great speech from Anne Widecombe

'Thank God we’re leaving!' Widdecombe speech stuns 'undemocratic' European Parliament

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...ean-Parliament

A very bad speech by Widdecombe. She looked ridiculous and came out with colonial and slavery bollocks that ought to have been beneath her. She mis-described the characteristics of the EU.



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Originally Posted by Hugh

The MEPs can veto or approve the election of the President and the Commissioners - sounds fairly democratic to me...

What is democratic? Democracy that serves an internal process which does not actually put power into the hands of the MEPs (who can't initiate laws, for example)?

Real democracy puts power into the hands of lawmakers - and these lawmakers are the Commission who play to the tune of the European Council of Ministers.
The Parliament can only say yes or no.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean the elected MEP Anne Widdecombe who was addressing the other elected MEPs?

Oh yes the elected MEP’s that can do what exactly ( for their substantial pay and benefits)?

Have an opinion on legislation brought to them by an unelected body. That is all.

They can’t propose change, the can’t bring about change. If they have a issue in which they want make a better life for their constituents, they can’t propose it and bring it to the Parliament themselves. They have to lobby the unelected commission to do something about it. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. If they don’t why do they care? They can’t Be voted out by the constituents.

MEPs are vassal puppets, in place to give the illusion of democracy. Any intelligent person can see this.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh yes the elected MEP’s that can do what exactly ( for their substantial pay and benefits)?

Have an opinion on legislation brought to them by an unelected body. That is all.

They can’t propose change, the can’t bring about change. If they have a issue in which they want make a better life for their constituents, they can’t propose it and bring it to the Parliament themselves. They have to lobby the unelected commission to do something about it. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. If they don’t why do they care? They can’t Be voted out by the constituents.

MEPs are vassal puppets, in place to give the illusion of democracy. Any intelligent person can see this.

Precisely and now we have a failed German Defence Minister, as European Commission President and I mean 0/10 for their absolute attempt to stop the ongoing revolt against this corrupt EU, they’re literally pouring oil on an open fire, these pricks will never learn, we don’t want a Federal Union, we don’t want an EU Army. The President that’s just been “appointed”, yes “appointed”, not elected, wants both of these. We need to get the hell out NOW of this undemocratic cancerous disgrace of a union.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

A very bad speech by Widdecombe. She looked ridiculous and came out with colonial and slavery bollocks that ought to have been beneath her.

Well said

[papa smurf]

Anne Widecombe explains speech for the intellectually challenged.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...y-nigel-farage

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Anne Widecombe explains speech for the intellectually challenged.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...y-nigel-farage

Appropriately hosted by the Express ..