09-02-2019, 23:27
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Re: Brexit
You have to admire their persistence I suppose.
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10-02-2019, 00:46
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Chris
You have to admire their persistence I suppose.
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Yep, and it's a cunning plan* too . . a vote on whether to accept the deal May has put forward, or remain in the EU
both options effectively mean we don't leave
* Baldrick would be so proud
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10-02-2019, 07:40
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Re: Brexit
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Quote from Carth:
Yep, and it's a cunning plan too . . a vote on whether to accept the deal May has put forward, or remain in the EU
both options effectively mean we don't leave
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Both of which betray the referendum result. Such is the extent of the Westminster treachery.
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10-02-2019, 09:33
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Both of which betray the referendum result. Such is the extent of the Westminster treachery.
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Well to be fair at the moment it’s just proposed treachery.
I think it’s highly unlikely that it will pass. There are too many MPs - especially Labour ones in Northern England - who don’t fancy facing their constituents if they are perceived as having betrayed Brexit.
There just isn’t a parliamentary majority for a new referendum. If they thought there might be, then they’d have put their amendment forward last week, but they didn’t.
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10-02-2019, 09:49
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Re: Brexit
"treachery", "betray"?
Very emotive...
When the Tories won the 1992 Election with the largest number of votes ever in a General Election, having just signed the Maastricht Treaty, were the Eurosceptics being treacherous and betraying the voters who had just elected the Tory Government?
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10-02-2019, 09:50
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Re: Brexit
I just wish we could have a decision/resolution of some sort.Don't care what. Just DECIDE.
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10-02-2019, 10:07
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Re: Brexit
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Quote from Hugh:
"treachery", "betray"?
Very emotive...
When the Tories won the 1992 Election with the largest number of votes ever in a General Election, having just signed the Maastricht Treaty, were the Eurosceptics being treacherous and betraying the voters who had just elected the Tory Government?
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Because we were electing a government based on a range of policies and the EU surrender document was not fully understood by the electorate. This time it was a single issue that the people were asked to vote on and not enacting that is an act of treachery by the Westminster elite.
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10-02-2019, 10:17
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Because we were electing a government based on a range of policies and the EU surrender document was not fully understood by the electorate. This time it was a single issue that the people were asked to vote on and not enacting that is an act of treachery by the Westminster elite.
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If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
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10-02-2019, 10:19
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
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Just because you think something will be a disaster does not make it so.
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10-02-2019, 10:30
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
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Does seem odd that people are happy to support a result, when even the source of the £8 million donation by Aaron Banks is still unknown. A referendum that legally had to be advisory rather than binding in order to get the ballot past the judiciary.
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10-02-2019, 10:35
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
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Do any of the contractors have ships just idly sitting around? I doubt it. Therefore none of any contractors will have available ships.
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10-02-2019, 10:45
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it
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It all depends on your viewpoint/definition of a 'disaster'.
To some people, a disaster is having to pay 30p more for a bottle of wine, needing a visa to travel abroad, or seeing a shortage of broccoli at Christmas.
To others, disaster is seeing your town decimated by the local industries/factories closing and re-opening in a country where the labour and costs are much cheaper.
I think previous Governments have a lot to answer for, and many 'leave' voters were probably of a mind where being in the EU was already a 'life changing' disaster for them and their families/community
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or wishing to start more silly arguements involving statistics, JLR, Dyson et al. Just saying that for some people a fresh start probably gives them better hope for the future than continuing in a downward spiral.
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Originally Posted by nomadking
Do any of the contractors have ships just idly sitting around? I doubt it. Therefore none of any contractors will have available ships.
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*apparently* when we bomb out of the EU we won't have any trade deals, so there should be a surplus of available ships
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10-02-2019, 10:50
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Angua
Does seem odd that people are happy to support a result, when even the source of the £8 million donation by Aaron Banks is still unknown. A referendum that legally had to be advisory rather than binding in order to get the ballot past the judiciary.
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People were unhappy with the EU long before any hint of a referendum. That was the reason for the referendum.
In a court, only a jury can give a not guilty verdict, but in some instances the Judge can direct the jury to give a not guilty verdict. It should be seen as a similar situation where only Parliament is allowed to make the final decision, but in the event of a referendum it's hands are tied. Has there ever been the slightest hint that the result of a previously held referendum wouldn't be respected?
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Originally Posted by Carth
It all depends on your viewpoint/definition of a 'disaster'.
To some people, a disaster is having to pay 30p more for a bottle of wine, needing a visa to travel abroad, or seeing a shortage of broccoli at Christmas.
To others, disaster is seeing your town decimated by the local industries/factories closing and re-opening in a country where the labour and costs are much cheaper.
I think previous Governments have a lot to answer for, and many 'leave' voters were probably of a mind where being in the EU was already a 'life changing' disaster for them and their families/community
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or wishing to start more silly arguements involving statistics, JLR, Dyson et al. Just saying that for some people a fresh start probably gives them better hope for the future than continuing in a downward spiral.
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*apparently* when we bomb out of the EU we won't have any trade deals, so there should be a surplus of available ships
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So even contractors currently without any ships would be able to obtain one? What is the difference?
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10-02-2019, 10:59
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by nomadking
People were unhappy with the EU long before any hint of a referendum. That was the reason for the referendum.
In a court, only a jury can give a not guilty verdict, but in some instances the Judge can direct the jury to give a not guilty verdict. It should be seen as a similar situation where only Parliament is allowed to make the final decision, but in the event of a referendum it's hands are tied. Has there ever been the slightest hint that the result of a previously held referendum wouldn't be respected?
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So even contractors currently without any ships would be able to obtain one? What is the difference?
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I have a boat,i can do the booze and cig's runs ,if the Nation needs me
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10-02-2019, 11:01
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Re: Brexit
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So even contractors currently without any ships would be able to obtain one? What is the difference?
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The difference is if it fits your narrative/agenda or not.
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