Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by Pierre

Gove is a May deal supporter, which makes him now a quasi-remainer.

I.e we now have project fear to support the May deal.........fffff’n laughable.........

Gove was one of the senior members of Vote Leave. Maybe he was just convinced of the economic damage no deal would entail?

[Sephiroth]

I despair of the politicians (except Sir John Redwood). The deal on the table makes us a vassal of the EU - as they intended. We pretty much all agree on that; better to remain than go with this deal.

But best to leave with no deal as this frees us from German hegemony, French blackmail, Irish perfidy to name but three.

Yesterday's Torygraph had a really interesting article which explained how the Euro is a project constructed for the benefit of Germany (in particular) and the northern countries by corollary, leaving the southern countries up Schmitt creek nix paddle. The Euro is a crumbling edifice which will expire when German assets run low. Simples.

[ianch99]

It is quite frightening how much the Conservative Party members are out of touch with their leader and the country:

Brexit: most Tory members would choose no deal over May's plan

More than half of Conservative party members want Theresa May’s Brexit deal to be rejected in favour of leaving the EU with no deal, according to a survey.

The same is mirrored in the Labour party where arch-Leaver Corbyn is desperately clinging onto his babbling Brexit policy in denial of his party membership:

Corbyn defies calls from within Labour to back second Brexit referendum

The study of Labour members found that 72% believed their leader should back a second referendum.

Very strange times indeed.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I despair of the politicians (except Sir John Redwood). The deal on the table makes us a vassal of the EU - as they intended. We pretty much all agree on that; better to remain than go with this deal.

But best to leave with no deal as this frees us from German hegemony, French blackmail, Irish perfidy to name but three.

Yesterday's Torygraph had a really interesting article which explained how the Euro is a project constructed for the benefit of Germany (in particular) and the northern countries by corollary, leaving the southern countries up Schmitt creek nix paddle. The Euro is a crumbling edifice which will expire when German assets run low. Simples.

You had me in a state of shock before I moved on to the second paragraph.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

You had me in a state of shock before I moved on to the second paragraph.

I'd be a fool not to be honest about the proposed deal.

As regards SJR,I expected that! I know the man and rate him highly,

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Angua

Looks like Brits in Italy will be okay.

I suspect that this is because Italy have realised that the quality and quantity of their UK immigrants are beneficial to their economy overall.

Good news for ex pats in Italy, at least they can now stop worrying.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I suspect that this is because Italy have realised that the quality and quantity of their UK immigrants are beneficial to their economy overall.

Good news for ex pats in Italy, at least they can now stop worrying.

True in one sense; but Italy is on the rocks and with it, the Euro is in great danger.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I'd be a fool not to be honest about the proposed deal.

As regards SJR,I expected that! I know the man and rate him highly,

Despite Redwood's politically awkward advice to his investors to take their money out of the country because of Brexit, I think May hopes she bought his loyalty in the New Year's Honours. Hence her reason to postpone the vote - nothing has changed in the deal since December nor did she expect it to - just the salutations of some of those voting on it.

[Sephiroth]

It's going to be an exciting week or so.

[jfman]

First up being the Finance Bill on Tuesday and proposed amendments (if selected).

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Despite Redwood's politically awkward advice to his investors to take their money out of the country because of Brexit, I think May hopes she bought his loyalty in the New Year's Honours. Hence her reason to postpone the vote - nothing has changed in the deal since December nor did she expect it to - just the salutations of some of those voting on it.

I think she did expect to get something more out of the EU, but she's failed again. They've remained consistent and we've been all over the place. The delaying tactic in an attempt to scare MPs into voting for this shambles has also failed. I did have a very little respect for her, but that's gone.. As with most politicians, she's put political survival ahead of the country. Would she have the cheek to try and postpone the vote again ??

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think she did expect to get something more out of the EU, but she's failed again. They've remained consistent and we've been all over the place. The delaying tactic in an attempt to scare MPs into voting for this shambles has also failed. I did have a very little respect for her, but that's gone.. As with most politicians, she's put political survival ahead of the country. Would she have the cheek to try and postpone the vote again ??

She should be playing for England ladies', she's very good at kicking the tin can a long way down the road.
The EU was never going to offer much of an off-the-peg deal in the withdrawal agreement as it's a temporary measure due to the UK's slowness in negotiating; the EU is saving its energies for the fatiguing free trade agreement negotiations and not something that will last a couple of years. I'm pretty sure that the UK Civil Service will have communicated this to Theresa May but politically she is keen to ensure that she is seen to be trying to improve the deal than actually believing that she could get it improved.

Off-topic posts removed. Back on topic. Spelling lessons is not the topic!!!

"I just don't think we would survive going through that exercise again."

James Graham, writer of the Channel 4 drama, Brexit: The Uncivil War, says the EU referendum was "overly simplistic, overly angry and overly divisive".

Something I can agree with completely....

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...38775244771328

[jfman]

Oh sure we will. Blitz spirit and all that.

We've survived worse.