UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The trade deal should only take 2-3 years to sort out (once the Conservatives get the working majority they need).

How many years till that happens?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

How many years till that happens?

Despite what the polls are saying my money is on a hung parliament.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The trade deal should only take 2-3 years to sort out (once the Conservatives get the working majority they need).

It took three years from negotiations completing to the Canada trade deal coming into effect. Plus Canada actually wanted a trade deal with the EU, it’s debatable whether a Conservative government actually wants one - it means EU standards, state aid rules, coming back into play.

Anyway the EU are saying this isn’t true.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

It took three years from negotiations completing to the Canada trade deal coming into effect. Plus Canada actually wanted a trade deal with the EU, it’s debatable whether a Conservative government actually wants one - it means EU standards, state aid rules, coming back into play.

Anyway the EU are saying this isn’t true.

So Canada follows the EU state aid rules?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So Canada follows the EU state aid rules?

By "into play" I meant into negotiations. For a 2-3 year negotiation it'd almost certainly be a customs union type arrangement.

That said the Conservatives would probably concede state aid anyway, the state will be rolled back so far there will be no 'aid' available.

Anyway, the EU says the backstop stays. Which makes sense - there's nothing more important in Europe, on the mainland or the islands, than the integrity of the Single Market.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So Canada follows the EU state aid rules?

If Canada is in Europe then, yes. If it's not, no.
Geography matters in trade.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Canada is in Europe then, yes. If it's not, no.
Geography matters in trade.

You’ll have to do a bit better than that.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by denphone

Despite what the polls are saying my money is on a hung parliament.

exactly wasn't tories 24 points ahead at last election and how did that turn out

plus next election got worse choice of leaders ever

[1andrew1]

Farewell frictionless trade in Ireland as another promise ditched

Boris Johnson warns of return to Irish customs checks
Boris Johnson said on Tuesday he is planning for a return to customs checks on the island of Ireland as the prime minister prepares to offer a last-minute Brexit proposal to a deeply sceptical Brussels.

Ahead of his keynote speech to the Conservative party conference in Manchester on Wednesday, Mr Johnson insisted in media interviews that a customs frontier between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic would have to become a reality after Brexit and that the UK as “a sovereign united country must have a single customs territory”.

Mr Johnson’s words will intensify fears across the EU that less than a month from the UK’s scheduled departure from the bloc, Britain is ditching promises made by his predecessor Theresa May to strive for frictionless trade across the Irish border.

https://www.ft.com/content/488cd226-...3-db5a370481bc

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

exactly wasn't tories 24 points ahead at last election and how did that turn out

plus next election got worse choice of leaders ever

Indeed the worse choice in my lifetime of that there is no doubt.

Strange to hear the Conservative Party Chairman on the news this morning stating (without explicitly saying so) that they intend to break the law, by leaving on the 31st of October without a deal if the EU doesn’t accept the "extended border".

Also, last night, No 10 insisted if the EU did not engage with the UK's offer there would be no further negotiations until after it had left on 31 October.

Party of law and order?

[denphone]

Indeed l always thought that they were the party of law and order as they were a party that was very much representative of a broad church.

They are neither of them now as their language is increasingly sounding more Trumpian like by the day.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange to hear the Conservative Party Chairman on the news this morning stating (without explicitly saying so) that they intend to break the law, by leaving on the 31st of October without a deal if the EU doesn’t accept the "extended border".

You are obviously confused on the law and what the Benn Act requires. If there is no deal then As long as he “seeks” an extension by writing a letter “in the form” of the one appendixed then he has complied. The Benn Act says nothing about leaving without a deal.

**

Indeed the Benn act is just an amendment to the withdrawal act, which again says we will leave the EU, not dependent upon achieving a deal. So leaving without a deal is totally lawful

[OLD BOY]

Boris seems to have gone down well at the conference, and Arlene Foster is inclined now to support the PM's compromise on the Northern Ireland 'two borders' proposal. Looks like we are half way there towards a deal.

That will disappoint the Opposition!

Originally Posted by Pierre

You are obviously confused on the law and what the Benn Act requires. If there is no deal then As long as he “seeks” an extension by writing a letter “in the form” of the one appendixed then he has complied. The Benn Act says nothing about leaving without a deal.

**

Indeed the Benn act is just an amendment to the withdrawal act, which again says we will leave the EU, not dependent upon achieving a deal. So leaving without a deal is totally lawful

Good luck with that one...

Anyhoo, Boris just quoted someone in his speech, who, six years ago, was anti wind power...