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jfman · 29-09-2019, 16:04

It’s not a surrender bill. It’s making sure Boris can’t force No Deal unless Parliament approves it. That’s all it does. It doesn’t reverse Brexit, it doesn’t stop Boris going for a General Election and a Parliamentary mandate. Doesn’t prevent “no deal” at a later date.

It surrenders precisely nothing. It’s a delaying mechanism, that’s all.

Boris lying is an observable fact. It’s not Parliamentary to say he lied in a statement to the House of Commons, that’s all. Public statements, newspaper columns, all fair game on the truth barometer.

And absolutely you can quote me on October 31st. I played this game in March.

pip08456 · 29-09-2019, 16:11

Just a thought. Boris writes a letter requesting an extention on 30th Oct in keeping with the BennAct (before the 31st) puts a first class stamp on it and sends an underling to the post office to get proof of posting.

Letter sent with the request before the 31st.
Proof recieved.
Letter recieved too late to act on.
Law upheld, we've still left.

OLD BOY · 29-09-2019, 16:12

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Originally Posted by jfman

It’s not a surrender bill. It’s making sure Boris can’t force No Deal unless Parliament approves it. That’s all it does. It doesn’t reverse Brexit, it doesn’t stop Boris going for a General Election and a Parliamentary mandate. Doesn’t prevent “no deal” at a later date.

It surrenders precisely nothing. It’s a delaying mechanism, that’s all.

Boris lying is an observable fact. It’s not Parliamentary to say he lied in a statement to the House of Commons, that’s all. Public statements, newspaper columns, all fair game on the truth barometer.

And absolutely you can quote me on October 31st. I played this game in March.

It's all hype, and you know it. Most Brexiteers would agree that Benn's cup of cold sick is a surrender bill.

Anyhow, I know your take on this and you know mine so let's just accept that and leave it there before drawing yet another circle to go around multiple times.

Pierre · 29-09-2019, 16:14

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Originally Posted by jfman

it doesn’t stop Boris going for a General Election

no we have parliament to do that.

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Boris lying is an observable fact.

And he is different from the all the politicians that said they would respect the result of the referendum (all on record) and have since moved from that position or by their actions prevented it.

Nothing. So I don’t buy the faux outrage.

jfman · 29-09-2019, 16:21

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's all hype, and you know it. Most Brexiteers would agree that Benn's cup of cold sick is a surrender bill.

Anyhow, I know your take on this and you know mine so let's just accept that and leave it there before drawing yet another circle to go around multiple times.

Yes, if you are happy to stop trolling I’m happy to stop challenging you.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Just a thought. Boris writes a letter requesting an extention on 30th Oct in keeping with the BennAct (before the 31st) puts a first class stamp on it and sends an underling to the post office to get proof of posting.

Letter sent with the request before the 31st.
Proof recieved.
Letter recieved too late to act on.
Law upheld, we've still left.

I’m sure Governments don’t routinely use post to exchange information in the field of international diplomacy.

OLD BOY · 29-09-2019, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Pierre

no we have parliament to do that.

And he is different from the all the politicians that said they would respect the result of the referendum (all on record) and have since moved from that position or by their actions prevented it.

Nothing. So I don’t buy the faux outrage.

Quite, Pierre. It's all such a nonsense and yet they continue on. The remainers in Parliament who are blocking Brexit have got one hell of a shock coming, so I hope they are enjoying their moment of glory.

I am truly excited by Boris's agenda, which I think will win the majority over, and when people finally experience the benefits of Brexit, a completely different, optimistic mood will envelop the country.

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Yes, if you are happy to stop trolling I’m happy to stop challenging you.

Oh, sorry, no offence meant!

jfman · 29-09-2019, 16:24

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Quite, Pierre. It's all such a nonsense and yet they continue on. The remainers in Parliament who are blocking Brexit have got one hell of a shock coming, so I hope they are enjoying their moment of glory.

I am truly excited by Boris's agenda, which I think will win the majority over, and when people finally experience the benefits of Brexit, a completely different, optimistic mood will envelop the country.

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Oh, sorry, no offence meant!

If that’s true what are you getting all animated about? Sit back, slippers on, feet up, Brexit happens, Boris wins election, glorious future?

pip08456 · 29-09-2019, 16:25

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Originally Posted by jfman

Yes, if you are happy to stop trolling I’m happy to stop challenging you.

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I’m sure Governments don’t routinely use post to exchange information in the field of international diplomacy.

I'm sure they don't but it would comply with the "Surrender Act" as specified.

1andrew1 · 29-09-2019, 16:30

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So you are ok with the opposition calling Boris a liar?

All I am saying is that the opposition cannot take the moral high ground here. They are just as guilty of name-calling and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. If they want any legitimacy at all when they claim to be oh so offended, then they can stop the name-calling themselves and set a good example.

As for Boris, I actually believe that he means it when he says we will leave on 31 October. You underestimate him if you don't believe he will stick to that.

False equivalence. Calling someone who's been sacked by The Times for making up quotes and sacked by Michael Howard as shadow arts minister for lying about an affair - a liar is correct. Calling people who vote differently from you traitors is not.
I don't underestimate the PM, I just review the facts. He can't leave without a deal and getting a deal eluded his predecessor for three years and he's only got a month!

Pierre · 29-09-2019, 16:33

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He can't leave without a deal

According to whom?

OLD BOY · 29-09-2019, 16:34

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

False equivalence. Calling someone who's been sacked by The Times for making up quotes and sacked by Michael Howard as shadow arts minister for lying about an affair - a liar is correct. Calling people who vote differently from you traitors is not.
I don't underestimate the PM, I just review the facts. He can't leave without a deal and getting a deal eluded his predecessor for three years and he's only got a month!

Except that they are being called traitors because they are ignoring the result of the referendum. Not because they voted 'remain'. You are deliberately skewing the argument here, Andrew.

By the way, if we can't leave with a suitable deal, we will leave without one. You may not think that's possible. Watch and learn.

Carth · 29-09-2019, 16:36

What if he sends two letters?

Letter One saying he is (under duress) asking for an extension.
Letter Two telling them to ignore the previous letter

Is it like these TV quiz shows where the first answer is the only one accepted?

1andrew1 · 29-09-2019, 16:39

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Originally Posted by jfman

If that’s true what are you getting all animated about? Sit back, slippers on, feet up, Brexit happens, Boris wins election, glorious future?

You would think the good folk of Wokingham would be too busy planning street parties than trying to defend the use of potentially provocative language.

Pierre · 29-09-2019, 16:50

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Originally Posted by Carth

What if he sends two letters?

Letter One saying he is (under duress) asking for an extension.
Letter Two telling them to ignore the previous letter

Is it like these TV quiz shows where the first answer is the only one accepted?

You drive a bus through the Benn Act anyway.

He has to “seek” to obtain an extension, not “obtain” an extension. He has to write a letter “ in the form” of the one appendixed, not write that letter word for word.

We’ll see.

1andrew1 · 29-09-2019, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Pierre

You drive a bus through the Benn Act anyway.

He has to “seek” to obtain an extension, not “obtain” an extension. He has to write a letter “ in the form” of the one appendixed, not write that letter word for word.

We’ll see.

One thing we've learnt of late is that we risk underestimating legal brains at our peril.