Election 2019 - Week 3

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by JMcB

Is it ok that the news keep running the Corbin story but never run this one

Muslim Council criticises Tories over Islamophobia

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50561043

Yes it's ok given the media bias. The poll on this thread is a bit irrelevant given the forums bias.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by JMcB

Is it ok that the news keep running the Corbin story but never run this one

Muslim Council criticises Tories over Islamophobia

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50561043

The difference being that the Conservatives are taking positive action to prevent it. As the article says:

The party suspended a number of members earlier this month after the Guardian supplied it with a dossier produced by an anonymous Twitter user containing examples of allegedly Islamophobic social media posts.

A number of members were also suspended in September, after the BBC highlighted 20 cases to the party of members posting or endorsing Islamophobic material online.

Boris Johnson has already explained that his remarks were in defence of Muslim women.

There is no comparison. People are just clutching at straws with this through sheer desperation.

[Mr K]

Back at in the real world of polls Labour is closing the gap, just like 2017...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Back at in the real world of polls Labour is closing the gap, just like 2017...

Don't hold your breath, Mr K. That's just the manifesto bounce. Once those who were taken in by it realise that this is a much bigger con than the tuition fees wheeze, they will be less excited about the prospect of a Labour Government.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Don't hold your breath, Mr K. That's just the manifesto bounce. Once those who were taken in by it realise that this is a much bigger con than the tuition fees wheeze, they will be less excited about the prospect of a Labour Government.

If only they all thought like you OB A gap of less than 7 points probably denies the Tories a majority, that would be a win for the majority of the country who don't want the Tories or Labour in power.

[Carth]

I'm saddened - but not really surprised - that a General Election in this country is descending into the farcical and deeply troubling issues of people voting for a candidate simply on the grounds of where they stand on Religious orientated issues.

Racism is alive and doing very well thankyou, pushed into the everyday world by those who use its power as a tool.

Originally Posted by Mr K

If only they all thought like you OB A gap of less than 7 points probably denies the Tories a majority, that would be a win for the majority of the country who don't want the Tories or Labour in power.

Polling averages suggest the Tories have a 12-13 point lead at the moment, and electoral calculus is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority.

The manifestos have all come out in the last week to 10 days, we probably need another week for all those to feed through to the polls. Thereafter it will be the campaign trail that makes the difference. Personally I think the chances of Boris cacking that up anywhere near as badly as Teresa May did are next to zero.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Carth

I'm saddened - but not really surprised - that a General Election in this country is descending into the farcical and deeply troubling issues of people voting for a candidate simply on the grounds of where they stand on Religious orientated issues.

Racism is alive and doing very well thankyou, pushed into the everyday world by those who use its power as a tool.

Well the result of a certain referendum we had has just encouraged those with those views. The current PM thinks nothing of making derogatory remarks on religious clothing, or the 'not we'. Things have got worse not better.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well the result of a certain referendum we had has just encouraged those with those views. The current PM thinks nothing of making derogatory remarks on religious clothing, or the 'not we'. Things have got worse not better.

'sigh'

*shakes head, walks away*

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

Polling averages suggest the Tories have a 12-13 point lead at the moment, and electoral calculus is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority.

The manifestos have all come out in the last week to 10 days, we probably need another week for all those to feed through to the polls. Thereafter it will be the campaign trail that makes the difference. Personally I think the chances of Boris cacking that up anywhere near as badly as Teresa May did are next to zero.

And they were 17 points ahead at this point last time. On election day they were 8 points ahead, but the actual vote ended up being 2. Make of that what you will; if you think people love BJ more than TM, you're mistaken.

Record no. of last minute registrations too, 3 million mainly young voters. Wonder what effect that will have?
Who knows? We'll have to wait and see...

Originally Posted by Mick

There is no such terms. You cannot be, just a little bit racist, or more racist than someone else or group of people. Racism is racism.

Does that mean that someone who tries to avoid talking to (insert minority here) because they are uncomfortable with (insert minority here) is as racist as someone who beats up and seriously injures, perhaps kills, someone from a (insert minority here) because they hate that (insert minority here)?

Originally Posted by Chris

Polling averages suggest the Tories have a 12-13 point lead at the moment, and electoral calculus is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority.

The manifestos have all come out in the last week to 10 days, we probably need another week for all those to feed through to the polls. Thereafter it will be the campaign trail that makes the difference. Personally I think the chances of Boris cacking that up anywhere near as badly as Teresa May did are next to zero.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-22/...-polls-change/

At the same point in the 2017 election campaign, the polls showed the Tories on 47%, with Labour on 31%, the Lib Dems on 8%, Ukip on 5% and the Greens on 3%.

But on election day, the Tories finished on 43% – four points below where they had been three weeks earlier – while Labour had risen 10 points to 41%.

While the Lib Dems remained on 8%, both Ukip and the Greens dropped to 2%.

The change was enough to deny the Tories a majority and produce a hung parliament.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Does that mean that someone who tries to avoid talking to (insert minority here) because they are uncomfortable with (insert minority here) is as racist as someone who beats up and seriously injures, perhaps kills, someone from a (insert minority here) because they hate that (insert minority here)?

It means what I said and I’m sticking to what I said. No one can be just a “little bit” racist. Utter nonsense.

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-22/...-polls-change/

As I said ... the difference between the run in now, and the run in in 2017, is the Tory party leader. I think it’s fairly widely agreed that Theresa May did an extraordinarily poor job of it, especially with the Tories’ pension-stealing manifesto commitment having come out.

Will Boris fare as badly? I can’t see it myself.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Chris

Polling averages suggest the Tories have a 12-13 point lead at the moment, and electoral calculus is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority.

The manifestos have all come out in the last week to 10 days, we probably need another week for all those to feed through to the polls. Thereafter it will be the campaign trail that makes the difference. Personally I think the chances of Boris cacking that up anywhere near as badly as Teresa May did are next to zero.

they were 24 points ahead last time and look what happened