Election 2019 - Week 3

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's quite deliberate. Corbyn and McDonnell are determined to bring down capitalism, so they don't care about grossly overspending. McDonnell has actually said that he is not concerned about the money for Labour's policies running out because they will just print more money.

Of course, this will be disastrous for all of us and everybody, including the poor, will wind up worse off.

you are forgetting the tories made the poor lot poorer since they been in the gap never been bigger between rich and poor

Originally Posted by Dave42

you are forgetting the tories made the poor lot poorer since they been in the gap never been bigger between rich and poor

Yes, poor people have got so much poorer. They’ve all had their colour TVs confiscated, their central heating has been ripped out and they’ve all been given a bag of coal a week to get by on.

Next week they’re having their bathrooms ripped out and they’ll be getting a brick privy in the back garden to share, one between 10.



Is there even the slightest chance you could contextualise your claim that “the tories made the poor lot poorer” (sic)? Do you even understand the difference between absolute and relative poverty, and the difference in social effects it causes?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

you are forgetting the tories made the poor lot poorer since they been in the gap never been bigger between rich and poor

You are forgetting that austerity was necessary due to Labour's mismanagement of the economy. You have a very short memory, Dave!

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are forgetting that austerity was necessary due to Labour's mismanagement of the economy. You have a very short memory, Dave!

tory propaganda just like the 50,000 extra nurses that piers and susanna debunked this morning

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And Boris' extra spending on police/NHS plus tax cuts, it doesn't add up either. Both parties should be held accountable for uncosted pledges, not just one. Credibility is not something Bozza wins on.

Come off it, Mr K! Boris's pledges are trifling compared with Labour's.

Is this an admission on your part that Labour's manifesto is undeliverable?

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Originally Posted by jfman

Can you reference the page in the Labour manifesto where there's a commitment to bring down capitalism?

As far as I can see they seek state intervention where no genuine market exists.

It's not in the manifesto, it's what they've already said. They are both Marxists, remember?

This country will never embrace Communism, and that's why these two dangerous lunatics will not win the election.

In fact, the opinion polls are probably showing Labour in a better light than is justified. I would wager that many who say they will vote Labour will get cold feet and not vote at all. Most people do understand the danger that the Marx brothers pose to this country. You need to catch up, jfman, and stop defending the indefensible.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yes, poor people have got so much poorer. They’ve all had their colour TVs confiscated, their central heating has been ripped out and they’ve all been given a bag of coal a week to get by on.

Next week they’re having their bathrooms ripped out and they’ll be getting a brick privy in the back garden to share, one between 10.



Is there even the slightest chance you could contextualise your claim that “the tories made the poor lot poorer” (sic)? Do you even understand the difference between absolute and relative poverty, and the difference in social effects it causes?

One thing i noticed as an overpaid engineer was poor people always had a better tv than me.
And might i add i still get by on a bag of coal a week

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

tory propaganda just like the 50,000 extra nurses that piers and susanna debunked this morning

How is it propaganda? Labour admitted there was no money left as they departed No 10. They spent our entire reserves on their vanity projects and handouts. You can deny it all you like, but you are fooling nobody. The only reason the Lib Dems went into coalition with the Conservatives was because they knew they had to do this in the national interest and rescue the economy.

The spending plans Labour have in their manifesto, plus the Waspi women 'compensation' package is all the evidence you need that Labour have not learned a thing. The austerity that would have to be imposed if we let these losers in would put the austerity we have already suffered well into the shade.

People are turning away from Labour in droves because they don't want a future for themselves or their children which involves queuing up for bread and going without essential medicines. Spending money on the scale proposed by Labour will have devastating outcomes for this country. You need to wake up from your Utopian dreams and smell the coffee, mate.

Originally Posted by Dave42

tory propaganda just like the 50,000 extra nurses that piers and susanna debunked this morning

Guess what, I’m still voting for the Tories. You have to be utterly crazy voting for a socialist and Marxist government, your claim of people getting poorer, will be increased tenfold under Labour, not to mention you’d be voting for a terrorist loving & commie set of pricks, aka Corbyn and McDonnell.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's not in the manifesto, it's what they've already said. They are both Marxists, remember?

This country will never embrace Communism, and that's why these two dangerous lunatics will not win the election.

In fact, the opinion polls are probably showing Labour in a better light than is justified. I would wager that many who say they will vote Labour will get cold feet and not vote at all. Most people do understand the danger that the Marx brothers pose to this country. You need to catch up, jfman, and stop defending the indefensible.

l won't be voting Labour but l won't be voting Tory either.

l won't be defending the indefensible so l hope you won't as lets move on to good old Boris and see how much of that you think is defensible?.

Boris Johnson called Commonwealth citizens “piccaninnies” and “watermelons” , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson said Britain should be “in charge” of Africa again , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson stated that “orientals” had “have larger brains and higher IQ scores”, while “blacks are at the other pole”. Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson also stated that Muslim women were “bank robbers” , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson Johnson’s ministerial record consists of two excruciating years as foreign secretary during which he regularly embarrassed Britain with gaffes, gratuitous insults and carelessness of the sort that ensured Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe remains incarcerated in Tehran , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson is a serial philanderer with two broken marriages and a love child. He is profoundly untrustworthy and disloyal, as his wives and a succession of Tory leaders can testify , Not a leader just like Corbyn one can trust?.

He was fired by The Times for making up stories , Not great Prime minister material is it?.

Johnson is just as shifty as Corbyn is unacceptable as a future prime minister.

l rest my case.....

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

How is it propaganda? Labour admitted there was no money left as they departed No 10. They spent our entire reserves on their vanity projects and handouts. You can deny it all you like, but you are fooling nobody. The only reason the Lib Dems went into coalition with the Conservatives was because they knew they had to do this in the national interest and rescue the economy.

The spending plans Labour have in their manifesto, plus the Waspi women 'compensation' package is all the evidence you need that Labour have not learned a thing. The austerity that would have to be imposed if we let these losers in would put the austerity we have already suffered well into the shade.

People are turning away from Labour in droves because they don't want a future for themselves or their children which involves queuing up for bread and going without essential medicines. Spending money on the scale proposed by Labour will have devastating outcomes for this country. You need to wake up from your Utopian dreams and smell the coffee, mate.

the propaganda is the lie austerity was a necessity when it was a very blatant political choice both main parties are disastrous I am one of the millions of poltical homeless ones in this country

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Originally Posted by denphone

l won't be voting Labour but l won't be voting Tory either.

l won't be defending the indefensible so l hope you won't as lets move on to good old Boris and see how much of that you think is indefensible?.

Boris Johnson called Commonwealth citizens “piccaninnies” and “watermelons” , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson said Britain should be “in charge” of Africa again , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson stated that “orientals” had “have larger brains and higher IQ scores”, while “blacks are at the other pole”. Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson also stated that Muslim women were “bank robbers” , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson Johnson’s ministerial record consists of two excruciating years as foreign secretary during which he regularly embarrassed Britain with gaffes, gratuitous insults and carelessness of the sort that ensured Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe remains incarcerated in Tehran , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson is a serial philanderer with two broken marriages and a love child. He is profoundly untrustworthy and disloyal, as his wives and a succession of Tory leaders can testify , Not a leader just like Corbyn one can trust?.

He was fired by The Times for making up stories , Not great Prime minister material is it?.

Johnson is just as shifty as Corbyn is unacceptable as a future prime minister.

l rest my case.....

well said Den agree 100%

Originally Posted by denphone

Johnson is just as shifty as Corbyn is unacceptable as a future prime minister.

l rest my case.....

Not much of a case there, sorry Den, I have to totally disagree with you.

This is simply not true - Corbyn is the much more bigger disaster than Johnson could ever be and BJ is already the Prime Minister and hopefully will still be after Dec 13th.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

the propaganda is the lie austerity was a necessity when it was a very blatant political choice both main parties are disastrous I am one of the millions of poltical homeless ones in this country

You are the one that needs to stop lying, Austerity was needed, it's always needed after a Labour Government that spends like crazy and has no money left, how do you expect services to still be paid for, do you want keep driving up the nations debt and considerably under a Labour Government, huh?

Why don't you stop regurgitating the same ridiculous Corbynista like soundbites and actually answer Chris's point that he asked you above.

Originally Posted by denphone

l won't be voting Labour but l won't be voting Tory either.

l won't be defending the indefensible so l hope you won't as lets move on to good old Boris and see how much of that you think is defensible?.

Boris Johnson called Commonwealth citizens “piccaninnies” and “watermelons” , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson said Britain should be “in charge” of Africa again , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson stated that “orientals” had “have larger brains and higher IQ scores”, while “blacks are at the other pole”. Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson also stated that Muslim women were “bank robbers” , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson Johnson’s ministerial record consists of two excruciating years as foreign secretary during which he regularly embarrassed Britain with gaffes, gratuitous insults and carelessness of the sort that ensured Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe remains incarcerated in Tehran , Is that defensible?.

Boris Johnson is a serial philanderer with two broken marriages and a love child. He is profoundly untrustworthy and disloyal, as his wives and a succession of Tory leaders can testify , Not a leader just like Corbyn one can trust?.

He was fired by The Times for making up stories , Not great Prime minister material is it?.

Johnson is just as shifty as Corbyn is unacceptable as a future prime minister.

l rest my case.....

There’s no case there Den.

You haven’t provided any links to any sources, credible or otherwise.

This isn’t a case, it’s smears of the kind you seem to love passing your righteous judgment on our politicians for.

I’m not pleading that Boris or anybody else is a saint incidentally. But it’s a very old tactic of the Left to keep repeating a smear until everyone assumes it’s true, and you’ve fallen for it like a mug.

Go on, I dare you, look up the sources for all the things you’ve accused BoJo of. Look at all of it in context and then offer some judgment about what he’s done and how bad it is.

Alternatively just sit safe and smug behind your keyboard and keep on posting acres of meaningless claptrap ....

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Not much of a case there, sorry Den, I have to totally disagree with you.

This is simply not true - Corbyn is the much more bigger disaster than Johnson could ever be and BJ is already the Prime Minister and hopefully will still be after Dec 13th.

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You are the one that needs to stop lying, Austerity was needed, it's always needed after a Labour Government that spends like crazy and has no money left, how do you expect services to still be paid for, do you want keep driving up the nations debt and considerably under a Labour Government, huh?

Why don't you stop regurgitating the same ridiculous Corbynista like soundbites and actually answer Chris's point that he asked you above.

the debt doubled under the tories never ever been higher that's a FACT over 1.8 trillion and still raising

Originally Posted by Dave42

the debt doubled under the tories never ever been higher that's a FACT over 1.8 trillion

So, while you’re off learning about absolute v relative poverty and their differing effects, perhaps you could spend a few minutes reading up on “structural deficit”.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Not much of a case there, sorry Den, I have to totally disagree with you.

This is simply not true - Corbyn is the much more bigger disaster than Johnson could ever be and BJ is already the Prime Minister and hopefully will still be after Dec 13th.

Look Mick we all have our own views politically but personally l don't see either as good leaders of this country but for the voter the choice is not a appetising one wherever one looks so its then up to the individual who to put their cross next to but l suspect quite a lot of voters will be doing so with a heavy heart.