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a decisive result like 60-40 . . . yep I'd go for 'leave' winning with that margin too
I have absolutely no problem with leaving the EU if the people choose even by the original margin. What I have an issue is that people made a decision without having the facts in front of them.
Dr to family: We would like to remove the patients treatment. It's causing discomfort to the patient and it's costing a large amount of money.
Patients family: Well, what happens if we do remove it?
Dr: Well, we won't really know until after we remove it, there's a chance it could be OK with other medication, but we just don't know
Patients family: OK, well it could be OK so lets try it.
Fast forward two years...
Dr: Well, since we agreed all this, studies have shown that there will be short - mid term discomfort with a real chance of significant pain and the patient may not recover fully. But since this is what you asked for we're going to carry on.
Patients family: Ummmmmm
Dr: We can try and see if the existing medication will work better, but the manufactures say that this is all it will do and no new treatments are available
Patients family: Ummmmmm, Could we think about it again ?
Hospital security guard: No..., no you can't, you can either have the existing medication or nothing at all
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What I have an issue is that people made a decision without having the facts in front of them.
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain
the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain
the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it
No. What we had were the wish lists of either side, with no concrete idea of what the negotiations following a leave vote would actually mean. Let alone the claims of the leave campaign that the EU needed us more than we needed them.
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain
the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it
Those are 2 words not 2 facts ...
I know, complicating matter with facts? Outrageous
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The irony is had the leave campaign had any kind of awareness they should have pushed for a second referendum on the terms of leaving immediately in July/August 2016.
A clear and indisputable public mandate for our politicians to follow, and over two years in which to work towards it.
A carefully thought out and articulate contribution to the debate as always
p.s. think you might need to extend/restart/cancel that countdown clock of yours !
You have been telling me that for almost 2 years lol Bless.
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Brexit has nothing to do with what people fought and died your statement is a diversion meant to stir an emotive response.
I never said it did - re-read my comments - I said people fought and died for true freedoms and democracy, so I certainly know and I stick to my original comment that they fought and died for democracy.
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It's completely relevant that the referendum is non binding because we can if we choose just ignore the entire thing (we wont obviously)
Yes because that is what democracy chose, you know what people fought and died for.
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My response regarding job losses house price collapse etc was as my post stated a wild hypothesis in response to someone else's claims regarding civil war. However it's nice to know we can ignore all the forecasting and prediction models because you claim it's rubbish. If you can provide any predictions or modelling to show that there would be an upturn in the economy then place them here and let's see them.
Yeah, all the dire predictions that were said would happen after a leave decision never happened, you know the recession, job losses, WW3 etc...
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I wonder how long it would take to strike these trade deals with countries outside of the EU and what happens in between the ending of the transition phase to implementation of new trade deals HINT it's a damn site longer than two years.
A lot bloody faster than it is now being stuck in a corrupted EU.
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Wrong, that's just your opinion not fact. Democracy means we can if we wish take as many goes as we like.
Nope I am not wrong - we only need to decide just the once, you know the meaning of a once in a life time vote don't you?
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The original referendum was badly flawed, we should again having a far better idea of the options repeat the process and lets see if turkeys still vote for Christmas.
And what makes you think a second referendum won't be flawed like the first?
It will be the same as before - division and mis information from both camps just like the first....
Surely in fighting and dying for freedom that includes the freedom to change their minds.
Being stuck to an ideologically driven and economically damaging because at one point in time and in the absence of facts a decision was made once sounds like exactly the kind of fascism we fought against. The Nazis won an election in 1933, after all.
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain
the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it
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