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Old 08-07-2020, 14:47   #121
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The primary responsibility for handling Covid-19, lies with the individual states and their Governors. Just as Boris isn't responsible for Scotland, Wales, or NI.
If only there were some form of over-arching institution, that could use National facilities and organisations to give direction and support to the individual States, and gather and distribute resources and information in a focused way to help those States most in need of support, and perhaps the Head of this institution could promulgate the messages and information the Health professionals gave them, to ensure consistent and accurate messaging...
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The primary responsibility for handling Covid-19, lies with the individual states and their Governors.
So, so many ways that Trump has had a truly negative impact on Covid 19 reduction. Be it in advocating non-mask-wearing, talking down the problem, holding rallies and most recently, trying to get the universities to open up! That's off the top of my head.
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So, so many ways that Trump has had a truly negative impact on Covid 19 reduction. Be it in advocating non-mask-wearing, talking down the problem, holding rallies and most recently, trying to get the universities to open up! That's off the top of my head.
So how does any of that explain the major outbreaks in New York State, which mostly came BEFORE any of that. How is "most recently" relevant? When was mask wearing generally advocated anywhere in the world(India seems to be an exception, there may be others)? Trying going out and about and see people shopping etc.
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So, so many ways that Trump has had a truly negative impact on Covid 19 reduction. Be it in advocating non-mask-wearing, talking down the problem, holding rallies and most recently, trying to get the universities to open up! That's off the top of my head.
And yet BLM can protest in their thousands and not give a shit about spreading the virus, and I don’t see you condemning them, typical one sided rubbish from you again Andrew.
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And yet BLM can protest in their thousands and not give a shit about spreading the virus, and I don’t see you condemning them, typical one sided rubbish from you again Andrew.
The virus has only been going a few months. Discrimination against black people has been going on for centuries. I'd be protesting too.
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And yet BLM can protest in their thousands and not give a shit about spreading the virus, and I don’t see you condemning them, typical one sided rubbish from you again Andrew.
They are both as culpable as each other as even now there are a lot of people still ignoring the social distancing guidelines.
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And yet BLM can protest in their thousands and not give a shit about spreading the virus, and I don’t see you condemning them, typical one sided rubbish from you again Andrew.
The question was about Trump's impact on CV-19 not an analysis of every protest group's impact on CV-19. I'm not in favour of mass gatherings such as these at the moment or at the time.

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So how does any of that explain the major outbreaks in New York State, which mostly came BEFORE any of that. How is "most recently" relevant? When was mask wearing generally advocated anywhere in the world(India seems to be an exception, there may be others)? Trying going out and about and see people shopping etc.
These links illustrate sadly how the Trump administration's actions and inactions have assisted in the country sadly having such a high death and infection rate from Covid-19. The FT one is free.

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-...d-371e24b679ed


https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...onomic-crisis/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/u...-response.html
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The virus has only been going a few months. Discrimination against black people has been going on for centuries. I'd be protesting too.
And spreading the virus, disgraceful.

5 black kids were killed at weekend in America by other black people. WTF don’t their lives matter?

Protesting that is now getting hijacked by a leftie mob and cancel everything culture.

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The question was about Trump's impact on CV-19 not an analysis of every protest group's impact on CV-19. I'm not in favour of mass gatherings such as these at the moment or at the time.

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These links illustrate sadly how the Trump administration's actions and inactions have assisted in the country sadly having such a high death and infection rate from Covid-19. The FT one is free.

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-...d-371e24b679ed


https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...onomic-crisis/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/u...-response.html
I’ve told you previously to stop posting links to news items behind a paywall.
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Old 09-07-2020, 00:40   #129
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I’ve told you previously to stop posting links to news items behind a paywall.
I don't get your point.
None of those links is behind a paywall. The FT usually is but as I've pointed out, it's free.
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We got all this crap in 2016, since then there has been book after book of attacks on the president. He had 12 or so women make allegations of sexual misconduct against him, who then all mysteriously vanished after he won the presidency. We had a tape where we saw and heard in his own words, he “loved to grab women by the pussy.”.
Yes what did happen to them, seem to remember donny promised publicly in 2016 to sue everyone involved from the accusers to the newspapers publishing the details, speaking of promises he's broken their supreme court might make a decision on his tax returns today to.
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The question was about Trump's impact on CV-19 not an analysis of every protest group's impact on CV-19. I'm not in favour of mass gatherings such as these at the moment or at the time.

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These links illustrate sadly how the Trump administration's actions and inactions have assisted in the country sadly having such a high death and infection rate from Covid-19. The FT one is free.

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-...d-371e24b679ed

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...onomic-crisis/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/u...-response.html
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The contagion had been spreading for weeks in New York, Washington state and other clusters.
As I said, It had been going on before. The primary responsibility for actually doing anything was at State level.
Trump suggested imposing a lockdown on certain States. Those States kicked up a fuss, saying he had no authority to do that.

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Earlier in the day, De Blasio told CNN that he was "absolutely considering" a shelter in place order for New York City and that officials were looking at "all other options." The measure would bar people from leaving their homes and is one that six counties in California have already taken.
While resistant to "nothing," when it comes to controlling the spread of the virus, the governor advocated for state-wide policies and even regional policies.
On Monday, New York, New Jersey and Connecticut banned gatherings of 50 people or more, closed gyms, theaters and casinos and limited restaurants and bars to take out and delivery service. Non-essential businesses, such as grocery stores and pharmacies, were advised to close before 8 p.m. and everyone was advised to stay home whenever possible.
All policies set at State level.
As I posted earlier, testing criteria, again, was set at State level. The tests are not done just at Federal facilities. It is just a type of test done in hospitals etc, that is done every day for other diseases.

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A month ago, the coronavirus numbers in the US appeared, at the very least, stable. The spread of the disease had been slowed, as the daily tally of new cases plateaued.That prompted a number of states - including Texas, California, Florida and Arizona - to move forward with plans to ease off public shelter-in-place and business closure orders.
Many of these states moved ahead despite not hitting the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended benchmarks for doing so, such as a 14-day drop in cases and less than 5% of tests coming back positive for the virus.
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"We opened way too early in Arizona," Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego, a Democrat, said in recent television interview. "We were one of the last states to go to stay-at-home and one of the first to re-emerge."
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Compounding the decision by some states to prioritise reopening in spite of warnings from public-health officials, one of the best methods of limiting the spread of the virus - wearing a face covering - has become mired in partisan acrimony.
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Public-health officials aren't free from blame, either. Early on, they declared that face-coverings were only helpful for front-line medical personnel.
While the real motivation for such statements may have been to reserve limited supplies to those most in need, the end result was a message that was muddled and shifted as the pandemic progressed.
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While some state governments have eased restrictions on public gatherings and allowed businesses to re-open, they have frequently accompanied such moves with recommendations that individuals make decisions based on medical advice and common sense.

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Yes what did happen to them, seem to remember donny promised publicly in 2016 to sue everyone involved from the accusers to the newspapers publishing the details, speaking of promises he's broken their supreme court might make a decision on his tax returns today to.
Absolute rubbish, he’s broken no promises on Supreme Court, in fact he’s more than fulfilled them with two Justices and literally filled most vacant seats for court judges around country and most of the appointees are young, so Trump has shaped the judicial arm of the land for decades with Conservative judges, a probable move by the Senate Majority leader, Mitch McConnell, to get as many of the Trump nominees confirmed by the Senate, while they control it to block local Democrat policies and litigation.
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Absolute rubbish, he’s broken no promises on Supreme Court, in fact he’s more than fulfilled them with two Justices and literally filled most vacant seats for court judges around country and most of the appointees are young, so Trump has shaped the judicial arm of the land for decades with Conservative judges, a probable move by the Senate Majority leader, Mitch McConnell, to block local Democrat policies and litigation.
Not really sure how you've extrapolated that from what was posted but I'll try and be clearer for you, he promised to sue everyone involved in the allegations live on tv and he promised to release his tax returns live on tv, he's done neither and now their supreme court is making the decision on his tax returns for him, possibly today
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So were the Tax returns of former Presidents that were from the dim and distant past released? A key difference with other Presidents, is that his will be dominated by business, not personal.
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1. Are presidents required to release their tax returns?
Presidents aren’t required by law to release their tax returns. Nevertheless, between 1974 and 2012, every president but Gerald Ford has made a voluntary release of the tax returns they filed while in office. Ford released no complete returns, but released 10 years of summary data including gross income, taxable income, major deductions, and taxes paid.
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So were the Tax returns of former Presidents that were from the dim and distant past released? A key difference with other Presidents, is that his will be dominated by business, not personal.
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