Trump gets fact checked

How about debate rather than scoring points.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Missing the point with links and whataboutery are tried and trusted techniques for you, fortunately though just about everyone on this forum sees straight through it.

FACT: There is no legal requirement for sitting Presidents to release their tax returns, and certainly not from the dim and distant past. It is trying to impose a new requirement that was never there before.

Originally Posted by nomadking

FACT: There is no legal requirement for sitting Presidents to release their tax returns, and certainly not from the dim and distant past. It is trying to impose a new requirement that was never there before.

FACT: He said he would release his tax returns, then didn’t.

In 2016
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...al-87106629958

In 2014
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...comment-nr.cnn

Originally Posted by Hugh

FACT: He said he would release his tax returns, then didn’t.

In 2016
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...al-87106629958

In 2014
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...comment-nr.cnn

Actually he said much later than that he would release his tax returns, when Crooked Hillary Clinton released her 33,000 missing, deleted emails.

Tell me this Hugh, why hasn’t she been indicted for many violations and potential crimes, like destroying evidence, i.e the deleted emails, smashing up phones and laptops, tablets, classified emails of hers found on an unauthorised system and more crucially, later discovered to be in possession of an unauthorised person, Antony Weiner's laptop.

This was a serious breach of classification laws, don’t see the FBI knocking on her door. But then they wouldn’t be when they, Peter Strzok and his mistress Lisa Page, also with FBI were touting for her victory in the 2016 election. I do wonder how they managed to do any work or have time for rumpy pumpy, when all they appeared to do was text each other of their dismay of Trump.

Weren't the e-mails to Weiner classified after he had received them? I seem to remember something like that.

As for Trump, this isn't a mandated thing but now the result of an investigation New York state is doing. It won't come out until after the election now anyway.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

FACT: There is no legal requirement for sitting Presidents to release their tax returns, and certainly not from the dim and distant past. It is trying to impose a new requirement that was never there before.

Probably should be in the future. It's odd the clearance to run for the President seems to have less disclosure than most other checks for high-level jobs. Obviously those jobs don't require it gets released to the public but they're the ones 'hiring' you in the end.

[nomadking]

It's purely a partisan fishing expedition.

Not much detail in tax returns. Just 2 pages looking at his 2005 return. Although the amended one for the Clintons for 2003 is 32 pages.
Love the bit on the 32nd page where it asks if you to contribute $3 to the Presidential Election Campaign Fund.

Originally Posted by Damien

Weren't the e-mails to Weiner classified after he had received them? I seem to remember something like that.

As for Trump, this isn't a mandated thing but now the result of an investigation New York state is doing. It won't come out until after the election now anyway.

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Probably should be in the future. It's odd the clearance to run for the President seems to have less disclosure than most other checks for high-level jobs. Obviously those jobs don't require it gets released to the public but they're the ones 'hiring' you in the end.

Does seem odd but then is there such a need for disclosure for our own government let alone the PM?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Does seem odd but then is there such a need for disclosure for our own government let alone the PM?

Well it was one thing that David Cameron did

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...come-and-gains

And I suppose it depends on what general oversight they have in the US compared to the UK Parliament Register of Interests, and the way tax works in the UK vs the US.

Just read, Trump Commutes sentence of Rodger Stone, Stone had been sentenced to 40 months in jail and was due to report to jail on Tuesday but a very pissed off Don has stepped in and Commuted his sentence, his criminal record remains, so is not a full pardon which actually wipes the slate clean of any convicted person. I had a feeling he would either Pardon or Commute Roger Stones Federal prison sentence.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

FACT: He said he would release his tax returns, then didn’t.

In 2016
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...al-87106629958

In 2014
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...comment-nr.cnn

Exactly Hugh, I can't be bothered to reply to that other chap, lifes to short but when someone looks down the camera more than once and says I absolutely will release them once the elections over and doesn't that to me is as good as breaking your word and for me that's unforgivable of anyone, in any walk of life. What should imo make it even more aggravating for everyone else is the fuss he made demanding Obama's records be released.

Originally Posted by Mick

Just read, Trump Commutes sentence of Rodger Stone, Stone had been sentenced to 40 months in jail and was due to report to jail on Tuesday but a very pissed off Don has stepped in and Commuted his sentence, his criminal record remains, so is not a full pardon which actually wipes the slate clean of any convicted person. I had a feeling he would either Pardon or Commute Roger Stones Federal prison sentence.

Got any thoughts on this? Mine is that the leader of a country pardoning someone found guilty by a jury of being nefarious to protect said leader is not a good look no matter how justified that leader claims it to be

I can honestly say I have no clue who Rodger Stone is.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

I can honestly say I have no clue who Rodger Stone is.

No me neither really, certainly couldn't pick him out of a line up!!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Paul

I can honestly say I have no clue who Rodger Stone is.

A Trump friend found guilty of witness tampering and lying to the Muller inquiry. Not the end of the world and his sentence being commuted is no surprise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone

Should bring everyone up to speed.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Got any thoughts on this? Mine is that the leader of a country pardoning someone found guilty by a jury of being nefarious to protect said leader is not a good look no matter how justified that leader claims it to be

Trump doesn't need protecting, he was acquitted in his Impeachment trial by the Senate. Had he commuted the sentence of Stone while the Robert Mueller investigation had been still live, then I would be nodding in agreement with you.

But Stone claims he was setup, also said his trial was met with unconstitutional blocks to his defense.

You need to re-read what I wrote, he has not pardoned him, he has commuted his sentence, the conviction remains on file. A Pardon removes all federal convictions and sentence is dropped, if time is still being served in a U.S Penitentiary.

You go look at who and what past presidents have pardoned, Bill Clinton pardoned his own brother.

There is no review of pardons. There have been historical attempts to curb the presidential pardon power, to no avail. This issue, too, was brought up in the Constitutional Convention, that pardons must be granted with the consent of the US Senate, but the measure was defeated on the vote of eight states to one.

The President need not provide a reason for a pardon and the courts and Congress have no legal authority to approve, disapprove, reject, or accept a pardon. Currently, the only way to change the pardon power is by constitutional amendment.

Clinton pardoned his older brother, Roger, for obvious familial reasons. He pardoned a pair of Hasidic Jews convicted of defrauding the government, restoring their civil rights but leaving monetary penalties intact.

In a controversial move, he pardoned fugitive financier Marc Rich, after application for clemency, in part, from the state of Israel, which had benefited from Rich's philanthropic gestures, a Federal Prosecutor was appointed to investigate this pardon, however they were later replaced by one and only, James Comey, who expressed that there were no illegalities in Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich.

President Gerald Ford pardoned President Nixon of any wrong-doing in order to put a close to the Nixon era for good.

President Jimmy Carter, pardoned all the Vietnam War draft dodgers to help in the long healing process the nation endured after that war.