President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

I haven't read the information on twitter or the papers, this is information in Testimonies of Congressional Sessions and or in official reports.

[Stephen]

None of the media reports state who or where the threats came from.

Claiming it's left or right is just guessing.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange how no one focuses on the Republican bias in the New York FBI office when active and retired FBI officers which fed Guilani information leading up to the election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JE2ZH

Sorry, I had no clue that this was even an issue. All that being said, the article is over 2 months old and I am yet to hear anything on it all. (Quick search showed nothing).

Let's say worse case scenario they leaked info to Rudy...no way is that as bad as Page and Strzok, given that they are both (at the time) active career FBI agents and Rudy had retired.

Also even if they had been feeding him info no way were they trying to change the outcome the way those two tried.

Oh, and one other thing....the guy heading up that office at the time was none other than this guy:


If there were leaks coming out of that office, we all know who is to blame. Guess who fired him Hugh?

It’s mooted that the reason Comey stated, just before the election, that the Clinton email case was being re-opened, was due to the fact the NY agents (active and retired) were going to leak the information about the emails on Weiner’s laptop, and if he hadn’t said anything, Comey would have been accused of suppressing information that could have impacted the election (and of course, having a press conference less than two weeks before the election had no impact whatsoever...)

[Chloé Palmas]

In some ways I think Comey was screwed either way, but in that sense he is one of the best FBI directors in history IMO.

The one thing that is forever forgotten is the fact that the reason the entire thing was re-opened was because Anthony Weiner is a sex offender hooking up with underage girls!

None of that was Comey's fault and re-opening the investigation made not one iota of difference to the outcome.

I think we’ll have to agree to differ on that last point...

[Chloé Palmas]

Possibly - I will never back off the fact that Comey / the re-opening of the case had anything to do with the result.

This was the prediction (on those said WN states) that Trump carried:

www.elite-politics.com/showthread.php?403-Quinnipiac-poll-numbers-is-Trump-set-to-rise-to-the-finish-line

I haven't got it in me to go through every single chart and graphic that I cited but Quinnipiac had the result (every state), pegged accurately...months before the vote. Months before Comey.

In fact, WI was not even included in the poll as it was such slam dunk for Trump. That all had nothing to do with Comey / re-opening the investigation / Weiner etc.

Hillary lost on the merits and see as blaming Comey has been fruitless, she now blames Russia.

The only time I goaded a nationalist within the time frame of Comey's re-opening of the case was this:

http://www.elite-politics.com/showth...ull=1#post7578

This is what I wrote:

Originally Posted by Chloé

So in the year that the Red Sox finally broke their drought, even then, their candidate from MA (Kerry) couldn't beat Bush (04). This is going to look all the more humiliating for Hillary come next week that even her own Cubs could win a WS and she couldn't beat the worst Presidential candidate the GOP ever put forward.

That prediction was made on the 3rd of November.

That did not, in any way shape or form come because of the view that James Comey re-opening the Clinton case bore any effect on the outcome of the election.

Comey did not effect that race at all IMO.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

Possibly - I will never back off the fact that Comey / the re-opening of the case had anything to do with the result

I did some quick research and there are a number of articles that provide persuasive evidence that you are not correct on this. Here's one:

4 pieces of evidence showing FBI Director James Comey cost Clinton the election

There are other articles that disagree (as you do) but from what I have read, I think Comey did indeed make the crucial difference.

Tell me, what do they call it when a "rigged witch hunt" actually produces a couple of actual witches?

The President's former Campaign chair was today convicted on five counts of tax fraud, one charge of hiding foreign bank accounts, and two counts of bank fraud in connection with the Trump Campaign.

At the same time, in another courtroom, Trump's former lawyer pleaded guilty to eight counts of violating campaign finance laws, including fixing payments to porn stars to hide affairs, and in his own words he did so on the direct orders of Donald Trump KNOWING that it was illegal. Then he struck a deal with the court and it'll be damned interesting indeed to see where THAT goes.

So, the score stands at:

Trump Campaign Chair Paul Manafort: Guilty

Trump lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen: Guilty.

Trump National Security Adviser Mike Flynn: Guilty

Trump Campaign Adviser George Papadopoulos: Guilty

Trump Deputy Campaign Chair Rick Gates: Guilty

Cohen, Flynn, Papadopoulos, and Gates all pleaded guilty of their own volition, they all made deals. Only Manafort had to be convicted by the court.

From Jim Wright @stonekettlestation

Supporting info

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...anafort-guilty

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was found guilty in a Virginia courtroom on Tuesday of eight charges of bank and tax fraud.

The jury found Manafort guilty on five charges of filing false income tax returns, one count of failing to report foreign bank accounts and two counts of bank fraud.

http://thehill.com/regulation/admini...ederal-charges

Michael Cohen, who worked for years as President Trump’s personal attorney, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to charges of bank fraud, tax fraud and campaign finance law violations, delivering a potentially significant legal blow to the president.

Cohen pleaded guilty to eight counts total, including five counts of tax evasion and one count of making a false statement to a financial institution.

Deputy U.S. Attorney Robert Khuzami said at a press conference Cohen failed to disclose $4.1 million in reported income, which allowed him to obtain various loans to which he would otherwise have not have been access.

He also pleaded guilty to one count of making an excessive campaign contribution on Oct. 27, 2016, which is the same date Cohen finalized a payment to adult-film star Stormy Daniels as part of a nondisclosure agreement over an affair Daniels alleges she had with Trump. Cohen said he did so at the direction of “the candidate.”

MAGA - My Attorney Got Arrested

Manafort found guilty on 8 charges, jury failed to reach a decision on another 10.

But that news lasted less an a hour since Cohen has plead guilty to breaking campaign finance laws and said he acted ‘at the request of the candidate’. He has thrown Trump under the bus there: https://twitter.com/h_alexander/stat...10904249028609

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I wonder if Trump knew this was coming since the talk of firing Muller has been louder recently.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I did some quick research and there are a number of articles that provide persuasive evidence that you are not correct on this. Here's one:

4 pieces of evidence showing FBI Director James Comey cost Clinton the election

There are other articles that disagree (as you do) but from what I have read, I think Comey did indeed make the crucial difference.

No, look I don't agree with this one bit purely because the polls I cited carried all the way through election day and predated all the Comey hysteria.

What I predicted, was about 2 months before Comey - based on polling from May ; what Comey did was a week out from the election yet the results were exactly what the polling suggested. Comey had no effect.

There isn't one thing that anyone can say that will ever convince me that James Comey swung this election. I can't stand Anthony Weiner but I wouldn't even go as far as to say that he had anything to do with it - but if it was somebody's fault that the case was re-opened (which in no way effected the race) then the logical step would be to look at the convicted sex offender, no?

James Comey had nothing to do with this election, in any way shape or form.

Nor did the sex offender in Weiner.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Manafort found guilty on 8 charges, jury failed to reach a decision on another 10.

But that news lasted less an a hour since Cohen has plead guilty to breaking campaign finance laws and said he acted ‘at the request of the candidate’. He has thrown Trump under the bus there: https://twitter.com/h_alexander/stat...10904249028609

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I wonder if Trump knew this was coming since the talk of firing Muller has been louder recently.

Interesting times. Trump's pigeons are certainly coming home to roost.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The same baker is now in trouble for refusing to bake a cake for a Transgender women:

https://nypost.com/2018/08/15/baker-...sgender-order/

I need to explain about that "gay whoring" comment in a bit more detail. I'll go find the post and make a reply - explain the other half of the reason that I took a month+ off the site. It wasn't fair to use such abrasive language, just to make a point (just because I knew that I was correct - I could have used more conciliatory language which was much easier explained with legal definitions) and I used a more "in your face" sort of rhetoric. (As I already knew that I was correct).

In regards to this specific case I could go back through Hugh's posts and what not and reply but I feel like Luther would do a much better (and objective job) to explain whereas I am much more inclined to take the firebrand approach.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting times. Trump's pigeons are certainly coming home to roost.

It won't be touching him at all - If Mueller's report reaches congress and articles of impeachment are invoked - the votes won't be there or in the Senate.

U.S would be in peril with major riots if Trump is "illegitimately" removed from office. His base remains very solid, it would be civil war.

Why should Trump feel the wrath, when Crooked Hillary has got away with so much, including the real collusion with the Russians/Steele and the fake Russian dossier that she and the corrupt DNC paid for?!?!

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Damien

Manafort found guilty on 8 charges, jury failed to reach a decision on another 10.

But that news lasted less an a hour since Cohen has plead guilty to breaking campaign finance laws and said he acted ‘at the request of the candidate’. He has thrown Trump under the bus there: https://twitter.com/h_alexander/stat...10904249028609

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I wonder if Trump knew this was coming since the talk of firing Muller has been louder recently.

Originally Posted by Hugh

From Jim Wright @stonekettlestation

Supporting info

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...anafort-guilty



http://thehill.com/regulation/admini...ederal-charges

MAGA - My Attorney Got Arrested

Omarosa must feel like someone stole her ability to seek attention for the day by taking the headlines. All of this stuff is pretty serious (3 to 5 for Cohen is a joke) but again Trump has nominated one of the most qualified SC picks in history so let me conveniently overlook all until Kavanaugh is confirmed.