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Old 13-09-2021, 07:46   #7186
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It looks like that cupboard under the stairs in your house will be occupied for some time yet then, jfman.
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Old 13-09-2021, 09:35   #7187
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UK cancels €1.4bn vaccine deal with France’s Valneva

Doses would have been manufactured in Scotland with deliveries due to start in 2022

The UK has terminated an agreement with France-based biotech company Valneva for the supply of at least 100m doses of Covid-19 vaccine, saying the company was in breach of its obligations under the deal.

The company “strenuously” denied the claim in a statement on Monday. The deal was worth up to €1.4bn, with manufacturing due to take place in Scotland and deliveries due to start in 2022.
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Old 13-09-2021, 10:07   #7188
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It looks like that cupboard under the stairs in your house will be occupied for some time yet then, jfman.
Personalising it again, OB.

I’m not sure the cupboard provides much more protection than any of the other rooms in my house. Or the garden.
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Old 13-09-2021, 10:38   #7189
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It looks like that cupboard under the stairs in your house will be occupied for some time yet then, jfman.
Do you think that the pandemic is over ?
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Didn’t somebody once say it wasn’t a seasonal virus like flu and could strike at any time of the year?

The point is, we have 90% of adults vaccinated. This virus is no longer the extreme danger it once was. We are just going to have to live with it.
The two issues to keep an eye on from my perspective are:

1. Once we've had a few weeks of the schools being back, and a move from outdoor to indoor gatherings as winter approaches, will the NHS be able to handle any increased infections?

2. Until vaccination rates in emerging countries like Brazil and India are closer to those of Western Europe's , there is still a good chance of further mutations emerging which may be more vaccine-resistant and contagious and will spread globally.
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From 17 March to 31 May more than a million people arrived in England and Northern Ireland from amber list countries.

......301,076 cases were referred to investigators for checks on whether they were self-isolating.

During this time, the highly contagious Delta variant of coronavirus - first detected in India - was spreading rapidly through the country.
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Vaccine passports could still be brought in this winter, a minister had said, just hours after the health secretary announced a U-turn on their introduction.

Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey said the introduction of vaccine passports has not been “ruled out forever”.

She told BBC Breakfast: "As Sajid Javid set out yesterday, although the formal decision is still to be made, but having reflected and looked at the details of the proposal that it's not deemed necessary at this moment in time.

“But they haven't been ruled out forever. It's reflecting the fact that a lot of young people have come forward and got their vaccinations over the summer.”
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Downing Street has insisted that vaccine passports are still a “first-line defence” against a winter wave of Covid-19 after the health secretary said plans to introduce them had been scrapped.

No 10 said checks on the vaccine status of people going to nightclubs and other crowded events remained a crucial part of the government’s winter Covid plan due to be unveiled by the prime minister tomorrow.

They will no longer be introduced automatically at the end of this month, however, after pressure from Tory MPs and the hospitality sector.

When he outlines options to deal with a potential third wave this winter Boris Johnson is expected to warn that mandatory facemasks could be reintroduced and work from home guidance reinstated. He will also make clear that checks on vaccine status could still be a legal condition of entry to large events.
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Re: Coronavirus

Despite this morning’s Press attempts to try to make this a “government in disarray” story, Javid did actually say on live TV yesterday morning that the vaccine passport scheme would be held in reserve should it become necessary later.

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Re: Coronavirus

Looks like the government has used the Daily Mail to leak its policies.
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Scientists warn UK must learn to 'accept' 100 Covid deaths a day as Prof Neil Ferguson backs Boris's Covid 'winter plan' to avoid lockdown with booster jabs, vaccine passports shelved and travel restrictions slashed - but masks and WFH COULD return
  • Boris Johnson to reveal Covid winter plans in a press conference this week and address MPs in the Commons
  • Prime Minister will reportedly make clear he is 'dead set' against national lockdowns as part of his winter plan
  • An autumn booster jab for adults set to be announced, while children aged 12-15 will also be offered single jab
  • Work from home, mandatory masks and vaccine passports will be held in reserve if hospital admissions rise
  • But Government will scrap its Green and Amber lists and PCR tests for travellers as part of review of travel
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Despite this morning’s Press attempts to try to make this a “government in disarray” story, Javid did actually say on live TV yesterday morning that the vaccine passport scheme would be held in reserve should it become necessary later.

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So Javid announced a decision, even though his colleague said
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H'mm...where have we heard that line before?

Clearly, two can play at that game!

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Personalising it again, OB.

I’m not sure the cupboard provides much more protection than any of the other rooms in my house. Or the garden.
I heard it spreads through walls...

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Do you think that the pandemic is over ?
No, but its impact is much less now we have the vaccinations.

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The two issues to keep an eye on from my perspective are:

1. Once we've had a few weeks of the schools being back, and a move from outdoor to indoor gatherings as winter approaches, will the NHS be able to handle any increased infections?

2. Until vaccination rates in emerging countries like Brazil and India are closer to those of Western Europe's , there is still a good chance of further mutations emerging which may be more vaccine-resistant and contagious and will spread globally.
1. Increased infections are not the worry - increased hospitalisations are. There are no signs to suggest that the NHS will be overwhelmed, and the risk diminishes the more people get vaccinated.

2. That's what boosters are for.

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Looks like the government has used the Daily Mail to leak its policies.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lockdowns.html
450 per day die of cancer in the UK.
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H'mm...where have we heard that line before?

Clearly, two can play at that game!

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I heard it spreads through walls...

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No, but its impact is much less now we have the vaccinations.

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1. Increased infections are not the worry - increased hospitalisations are. There are no signs to suggest that the NHS will be overwhelmed, and the risk diminishes the more people get vaccinated.

2. That's what boosters are for.

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450 per day die of cancer in the UK.
You don’t catch cancer from other people…
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You don’t catch cancer from other people…
That’s true, but we need to get these numbers into perspective.

Covid was only ninth in the leading causes of death in the UK in July 2021.
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OB said that 450/day die of cancer. Full fact.org says:

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Personalising it again, OB.

I’m not sure the cupboard provides much more protection than any of the other rooms in my house. Or the garden.
It's far safer being under the stairs than on top of them.
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