Coronavirus (OLD)

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Remember from Friday this week is is obligatory to wear a face mask when shopping:





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Covering up perfection seems wrong to me.

[tweetiepooh]

My masks are somewhere with Royal Mail, ordered and dispatched in plenty of time but still in transit. Always a bit hard trying new cheese with mask on, maybe cut an eating hole in them!!??

BREAKING: Two more English boroughs have joined Leicester in reaching the highest level on the coronavirus watchlist.

Luton, in Bedfordshire, and Blackburn and Darwen, in Lancashire, have both been designated as an "area of intervention" by Public Health England (PHE).

Lockdowns Imminent.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pikes-12034861

[nomadking]

What's with all the bellyaching from shopkeepers about enforcing wearing of masks. I not a smoker, but if I went into a shop with a lit cigarette, they would soon stop me. What is the real difference? Is the difference that with the cigarette, the shop can be penalised for allowing it, but with the mask, the shop can't? Perhaps that has to change.

[Mr K]

Free flu vaccine will now be available to over 50's. I've paid for it anyway over the last few years even though I don't qualify, it's a no brainer for £10.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:

Lockdowns have made little impact on Covid-19 death rates around the world, it’s claimed.

Countries across the world ordered its citizens to stay home and shut up shop in a bid to stop the virulent coronavirus spreading.

But now a study has sensationally claimed the drastic measures did not help reduce the global death toll which is currently more than 625,000.

Experts from the University of Toronto and the University of Texas compared mortality rates and cases in 50 different countries worst hit by the pandemic up until May 1.

They found while imposing lockdown did stop hospitals from being overwhelmed, this did not necessarily prevent high death tolls.

Instead, the researchers concluded, the number of Covid-19 related deaths depended on the health and age of each nation before the pandemic.

Those with above-average obesity rates, such as the UK, were 12 per cent more likely to have significantly higher death rates than those without.

In Britain two thirds of adults and a third of children are overweight.

Studies have previously shown that there is a link between Covid-19 and obesity

Countries with a higher median population age were 10 per cent more likely to have gravely ill patients.

The team also found wealthier nations had high deaths rates because their citizens travelled abroad more than poorer countries.

The full report in the on-line version of The Lancet can be found on this link It's rather pithy.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The full report in the on-line version of The Lancet can be found on this link It's rather pithy.

Not quite sure how you can have avoided overwhelming hospitals and not reduced the death toll. If instead lockdowns hadn't happened, and the hospitals had been overwhelmed, surely that must mean more deaths. They weren't dropping dead elsewhere.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The full report in the on-line version of The Lancet can be found on this link It's rather pithy.

Well, I think Boris has set his mind against any more nationwide lockdowns, so this is a good basis for that decision.

[downquark1]

This is a dumb analysis, if you repeat it after effective treatments have been discovered you will inevitably conclude a lower death rate.

Originally Posted by nomadking

What is the real difference? Is the difference that with the cigarette, the shop can be penalised for allowing it, but with the mask, the shop can't?

The difference is that its always illegal to smoke, but masks can perfectly legally not be worn if you have good reason.

[tweetiepooh]

All reports can make statistics say what the authors want and back it up with figures. Lockdowns may not have saved lives due to CV19 but they certainly helped prevent hospitals being totally overwhelmed and that may save other lives for other causes of admission.
It's also true that populations affect how CV19 progresses in that population and where there is an older, less fit, overweight, multigenerational mix the affect is worse. It is also possible that some parts of the world have a less virulent form of the virus. Population behaviour can also have an effect so countries like Japan where to suggest isolation and certain businesses close (also they wear masks more in other situations e.g flu) leads to isolation and businesses closing. Compare to western countries where even having rules they get ignored or challenged.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Paul

The difference is that its always illegal to smoke, but masks can perfectly legally not be worn if you have good reason.

Still no valid reason not to challenge people. That is what they are complaining about, the challenging people bit. They're not being asked to do a full health assessment.

[1andrew1]

Just need Old Boy to come on board about the lockdown being too late and we'll all be in happy harmony.

Boris Johnson has admitted the government did not understand coronavirus during the "first few weeks and months" of the UK outbreak.
The PM told BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg there were "very open questions" about whether the lockdown had started too late.
Mr Johnson also spoke of "lessons to be learned" and said ministers could have done some things "differently".
Labour accused the government of "mishandling" the crisis.
More than 45,000 people in the UK have died after testing positive for coronavirus, government figures show, with almost 300,000 cases confirmed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53525450

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just need Old Boy to come on board about the lockdown being too late and we'll all be in happy harmony.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53525450

The mistake was the total lockdown. Only the vulnerable needed protection.

Anyway, all of this is a case of being wise after the event. The medical guys themselves were advising against an early lockdown - remember that?

Originally Posted by nomadking

Still no valid reason not to challenge people. That is what they are complaining about, the challenging people bit. They're not being asked to do a full health assessment.

Feel free to go and stand in shops, and police them, see how that works out for you.

My Daughter works in retail, and will not challange anyone, that isnt what she gets paid for, its the job of the police (or security).