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Sephiroth · 08-01-2019, 18:52

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Originally Posted by jfman

Sounds like not a bad deal for the French or us, all the while preserving German hegemony.

Your sarcasm does you no credit. Are you denying the truth of what Chris said?

**Chris** · 08-01-2019, 18:57

In an oblique way, he’s approving of one of the major faults of the EU - namely that rules imposed on all members are usually written to serve the interests of only one or two of them. The single market isn’t a free market, it is a highly regulated one, cobbled together over many years whenever one interest group or another shouted loudly enough. Manufacturers of pre-packaged, sealed bottles of olive oil being one recent, notable example.

jfman · 08-01-2019, 19:01

I’m approving of one of the benefits of the EU.

The nature of collective decision making naturally means there are “winners” in one area who are “losers” in others. The net benefit is what is important.

The idea that we can have all positives and no negatives is fantasy, but I suppose that’s never stopped Brexiteers from pushing their wet dream visions of exiting the EU.

Another sign of our Government in office but not in power. Losing a Finance Bill Amendment, the first of many in efforts to cripple the prospect of no deal Brexit.

1andrew1 · 08-01-2019, 19:06

A nail in the coffin for no deal or just an irritation?

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Brexit: MPs defeat government over no-deal preparations
MPs have backed measures designed to thwart preparations for a no-deal Brexit, by defeating the government in the House of Commons.
They backed an amendment to the Finance Bill, which would limit spending on no-deal preparations unless authorised by Parliament, by 303 to 296 votes.
A number of Tory MPs are thought to have rebelled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46803112

mrmistoffelees · 08-01-2019, 19:13

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A nail in the coffin for no deal or just an irritation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46803112

It’s a start

jfman · 08-01-2019, 19:42

These are genuinely exciting times. A Government that’d ordinarily collapse and an Opposition that’d usually intervene. However neither wants to deliver Brexit.

“We’d have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky Parliamentarians”

jonbxx · 08-01-2019, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Chris

In an oblique way, he’s approving of one of the major faults of the EU - namely that rules imposed on all members are usually written to serve the interests of only one or two of them. The single market isn’t a free market, it is a highly regulated one, cobbled together over many years whenever one interest group or another shouted loudly enough. Manufacturers of pre-packaged, sealed bottles of olive oil being one recent, notable example.

But very often, what come around goes around, especially at the committee stage. Way, way back in the day, I went on a week 'business skills' course run by the UK scientific research councils (MRC who funded me, BBRSC, PPARC, etc.) One of the activities we did was a mini COREPER session, COREPER being the EU Commissions point where member states negotiators get together to bash out new initiatives, laws and so on. The chap running this session used to be part of the UK team at COREPER.

We had to negotiate treaties on renewable energy policy, levels on an industrial pollutant and tariffs on soft fruit. I was in the 'Sweden' team and we couldn't give a monkeys about soft fruit or the pollutant as we didn't make either but was very strong on renewables. We formed an alliance where we backed Spain and Italy on their soft fruit policy in return for their support on our renewables policy. We went 'soft' on the pollutant issue to get Frances support. We were given guidelines on our 'public' position and a secret limit to how far we could vary from this position.

It was a tough three hours but it bought it home how much horse trading you can do when working on multiple issues. Concessions on olive oil bottles will be paid back somewhere else. No one gives away anything for nothing at COREPER!

Pierre · 08-01-2019, 20:04

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Originally Posted by jfman

wet dream visions.

Politics has never got me that excited, but hey whatever floats your boat.

I supposed it explains a lot.

jfman · 08-01-2019, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Politics has never got me that excited, but hey whatever floats your boat.

I supposed it explains a lot.

It doesn’t excite me that much either, but prominent Brexit supporting MPs seemed to take a lot of delight telling us how great the deals we would negotiate were going to be. They can’t even agree among themselves, let along take a coherent stance to the EU or other trading partners.

papa smurf · 08-01-2019, 20:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A nail in the coffin for no deal or just an irritation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46803112

So if we leave without a deal and we have shortages of food/goods etc ,we the public will know which Trai- er sorry politicians to lynch.

**Hugh** · 08-01-2019, 20:15

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

So if we leave without a deal and we have shortages of food/goods etc ,we the public will know which Trai- er sorry politicians to lynch.

Ah, the old "it wasn’t me, I didn’t do it, nuffink to do with me, squire..." ploy.

papa smurf · 08-01-2019, 20:26

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Ah, the old "it wasn’t me, I didn’t do it, nuffink to do with me, squire..." ploy.

It's more like you pulled the funding and caused this so now you pay squire,the harsh reality of treachery is usually an unpleasant end... up the revolution

mrmistoffelees · 08-01-2019, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Ah, the old "it wasn’t me, I didn’t do it, nuffink to do with me, squire..." ploy.

Why did I read this in the voice of Sgt. Detritus ?

papa smurf · 08-01-2019, 20:33

Rumours are that Aaron banks is offering a loan to fund no deal preparations.

jfman · 08-01-2019, 20:37

Is that from his diamond mining company that doesn’t seem very busy?