Coronavirus (OLD)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I do not hate my self.

You appear to hate your nations history, your history. Such self loathing cannot be healthy

Once you start with the personal ad-hominem attacks then you have pretty much lost the argument. So thank you for your post ..

wasn’t an attack, just an observation, an accurate one by your response

You list a set of virtuous traits that represent your perceived "culture" but the end of the political spectrum you seem to affiliate yourself to is dedicated to the opposite so you seem to be a contradiction.

you’re going to have to explain yourself there, as I don’t see any contradiction, so detail where that is.

You also aim to validate Colonialism by the perceived benefits the occupier gave to the occupied.

. I don’t validate it, I acknowledge the exploitative actions, but not everything In the empire days was negative or had a negative impact - that is aN unavoidable fact, it may not sit Well with your Narrative, but it’s a fact.

You clearly abdicate yourself and your "culture" of any negative aspects associated with Empire

Oh I do, absolutely, it all happened long before I was born, I don’t carry the burden of the sins of my fathers

but are more that willing to claim its "benefits". A wonderful smorgasboard of contradiction.

in so far as I don’t carry the sins of our fathers, you are right to point out that neither should I highlight the positives.

But it would be strange to not acknowledge the benefit of the rail infrastructure in India, for example? It still benefits the country today - does it not? Or do you consider it detrimental?

Nothing for me to prove here. All people need to do is to read your posts .. the evidence is all there.

Indeed it is.

[jfman]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...hielding-rules

Concerns from the “demand” side of the economy.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...hielding-rules

Concerns from the “demand” side of the economy.

Well I can’t speak for the nation, but I don’t recognise that scenario. Up here in West Yorkshire things are carrying on pretty much as normal.

Originally Posted by nomadking

But they ARE being criticised for going to the beach etc. The key difference is that I'm not aware of any evidence that it has lead to any town/city wide lockdowns. Another huge key difference is the level of interaction between groups.


Many areas have their own walk-in testing setups. The care homes can use that.

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How would that make a difference? There would still be an intermingling between those separate groups at one stage or another.

Many of the occupants of care homes have limited mobility (which is often why they are in care homes, as well as dementia/Alzheimer’s) - "walk in" testing centres aren’t really appropriate for the majority of residents.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well I can’t speak for the nation, but I don’t recognise that scenario. Up here in West Yorkshire things are carrying on pretty much as normal.

Well that’s the thing with narrow observations is that it doesn’t capture consumer spend or necessarily reflect the national picture. It’s just your own perception which is rather subjective.

People on furlough may be ‘observed’ to be out and about to get out the house however not making the same amount of discretionary spend prior to Covid.

Every pub I’ve been in that’s usually standing room only is filling their seats to comply with distancing however no standing. So, observably busy, but still trading far below normal.

[denphone]

Some interesting thoughts from Eleanor Roaf Trafford's health chief who says declaration of major incident shows spread not just prevalent in BAME groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hite-community

Eleanor Roaf, the director of public health in Trafford, said 80% of its infections in the last week were in the white community, and she urged the region’s 2.8 million residents to concentrate “much harder on what we can do to stop the wider spread”.

Much of the coverage of the region’s rise in infections has focused on Oldham, where officials said last week that two-thirds of new cases were in the town’s Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities.

She added: “The Trafford narrative is that it is a very white outbreak in Trafford. In other places the narrative is quite different. One of the anxieties is that we don’t end up with a complacent white middle class thinking it’s not affecting them because they think it’s about overcrowding in ethnic minority families.”

[jfman]

The Rona is coming for everyone!

[nashville]

My son and his wife went to Germany today, They were tested as soon as they arrived with sniffer dogs , Thank God they were OK, I wonder if the same will be done in Scotland when they come back, I doubt it,

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

The Rona is coming for everyone!

It's about time you acknowledged that. The virus is going nowhere anytime soon.

Bunker down, jfman!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's about time you acknowledged that. The virus is going nowhere anytime soon.

Bunker down, jfman!

I’m merely acknowledging that white exceptionalism and not living in “multi-generational households” aren’t going to save anyone. Public health measures, and adhering to them, could if done effectively.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m merely acknowledging that white exceptionalism and not living in “multi-generational households” aren’t going to save anyone. Public health measures, and adhering to them, could if done effectively.

Locking down won't save anyone either, unless you lockdown at risk groups and let the virus work through the healthy population.

Total lockdown for years will not work. The virus will still be capable of striking us all down when everyone finally emerges.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Locking down won't save anyone either, unless you lockdown at risk groups and let the virus work through the healthy population.

Total lockdown for years will not work. The virus will still be capable of striking us all down when everyone finally emerges.

Nobody has ever proposed to lock down for years. There’s a classic Old Boy straw man trying to defeat an argument nobody actually made.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Nobody has ever proposed to lock down for years. There’s a classic Old Boy straw man trying to defeat an argument nobody actually made.

Really? How long should a further total lockdown last, then, in your opinion, and how will that achieve anything?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Rea,ly? How long should a further total lockdown last, then, in youropinion, and how will that achieve anything?

Old Boy there’s little value debating you on the subject your opinion is clear to let people develop complications and die as a result with some kind of perverse view that the economy will bounce back ignoring that you are introducing demand side shocks which entrench the recession for years to come.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Old Boy there’s little value debating you on the subject your opinion is clear to let people develop complications and die as a result with some kind of perverse view that the economy will bounce back ignoring that you are introducing demand side shocks which entrench the recession for years to come.

You didn't answer my legitimate question and as you well know, I have not advocated vulnerable people being exposed to the virus.