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Old 08-02-2004, 10:59   #151
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Re: Want ADSL?-Read on....

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Thought we had done that and agreed Sky is better
I would like to see where this was 'agreed' I have my old sky box and NTL and ntl is a better package in lots of ways

1) Premiership plus only £12 per year (£40+ on $ky)
2) NTL really quick to change packages and effect reduced costs straight away
3) No red dot on sky sports - as a supporter of www.logofreetv.org that is a big plus for NTL
4) You can customise your own menu to get channels in the order which you want
5) Overalll cheaper for the phone tv BB package so a good choice which works for me
Not to say I would not move. The lack of ability to use 3rd party phone sellers is a pain - and if sky dumped the red dot I could go back
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:06   #152
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Re: Want ADSL?-Read on....

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I would like to see where this was 'agreed' I have my old sky box and NTL and ntl is a better package in lots of ways

1) Premiership plus only £12 per year (£40+ on $ky)
2) NTL really quick to change packages and effect reduced costs straight away
3) No red dot on sky sports - as a supporter of www.logofreetv.org that is a big plus for NTL
4) You can customise your own menu to get channels in the order which you want
5) Overalll cheaper for the phone tv BB package so a good choice which works for me
Not to say I would not move. The lack of ability to use 3rd party phone sellers is a pain - and if sky dumped the red dot I could go back

sky is miles better than ntl
1) I don't watch sport
2)sky package changes are instant (non of this you will have to pay until the end of month)
3) No red dot on sky sports (because I don't watch it)
4) you can customise your on menus (favorites)
5)with sky, bt and adsl I get loads more movie channels and I am saving £6 a month. also the services work, which ntl's never did.
sky wins NTL suck
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Old 08-02-2004, 17:00   #153
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Re: Want ADSL?-Read on....

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I would like to see where this was 'agreed' I have my old sky box and NTL and ntl is a better package in lots of ways

1) Premiership plus only £12 per year (£40+ on $ky)
2) NTL really quick to change packages and effect reduced costs straight away
3) No red dot on sky sports - as a supporter of www.logofreetv.org that is a big plus for NTL
4) You can customise your own menu to get channels in the order which you want
5) Overalll cheaper for the phone tv BB package so a good choice which works for me
Not to say I would not move. The lack of ability to use 3rd party phone sellers is a pain - and if sky dumped the red dot I could go back
I assume you not one of the thousands of people stuck in an analogue only area that ntl refuse to upgrade yet charge the same money for, and I disagree on the cheaper part.
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Old 08-02-2004, 17:05   #154
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I disagree on the cheaper part.
Especialy when you can get a 2Mbit ADSL service for the price of Ntl's 1Mbit
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Old 08-02-2004, 19:29   #155
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sky is miles better than ntl
1) I don't watch sport
2)sky package changes are instant (non of this you will have to pay until the end of month)
3) No red dot on sky sports (because I don't watch it)
4) you can customise your on menus (favorites)
5)with sky, bt and adsl I get loads more movie channels and I am saving £6 a month. also the services work, which ntl's never did.
sky wins NTL suck
1)Sorry but it is with sky you pay to the end of the month if you cancel something- with Ntl it happened straight away
2) 20 favorites and toggle thro' using the blue on sky versus actually organising them in the order you want - you are having a laugh
3) Ok the red dot is most annoying on sky sports- but it infests all $ky output because they are desparate to get you spending £400 pa
4) What 'loads more movie channels'- the same sky movie channels are on Ntl, the same film 4 and its channels and even the same tcm

I cant see how like for like you are saving anything if you have to pay bt's 9.50 line rental which is free with NTL (if you take tv)

As for the services work.. well the box crashes every now and then - but so do all three sky boxes I have had - other than that - you press the button and the red dot free picture emerges

NTL win easily ....for now
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Old 08-02-2004, 20:16   #156
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Re: Want ADSL?-Read on....

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1)Sorry but it is with sky you pay to the end of the month if you cancel something- with Ntl it happened straight away
Trouble is, if you dare to change your package you invoke the House elfs and dementors ( to borrow from Harry Potter) who work in accounts. They magic up some devilish computation which is meant to represent the proportion of the mths service you have used/what you need* however much they need to multiply it by to confuse even stephen hawking!
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Old 08-02-2004, 22:36   #157
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Re: Want ADSL?-Read on....

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1)Sorry but it is with sky you pay to the end of the month if you cancel something- with Ntl it happened straight away
2) 20 favorites and toggle thro' using the blue on sky versus actually organising them in the order you want - you are having a laugh
3) Ok the red dot is most annoying on sky sports- but it infests all $ky output because they are desparate to get you spending £400 pa
4) What 'loads more movie channels'- the same sky movie channels are on Ntl, the same film 4 and its channels and even the same tcm

I cant see how like for like you are saving anything if you have to pay bt's 9.50 line rental which is free with NTL (if you take tv)

As for the services work.. well the box crashes every now and then - but so do all three sky boxes I have had - other than that - you press the button and the red dot free picture emerges

NTL win easily ....for now

1) LOL you are joking, NTL wanted us to pay for the month after they came and collected the stb. with sky we just rang them and said remove the sports package and they did, it was gone. we spent 6 months trying to get NTL to remove a package. sky win that one no questions.

2) don't know about the 20 favorites I have not run out of slots in the personal planner yet.

3) the red dot has not annoyed me yet. where as NTL's red button never worked.

4) movie channels, we now have at least 12 (I ain't counted them all) we didn't have any with NTL except front row pay stuff. the sky tv package have does cost less than we were paying NTL.

when we had ntl tv. phone and broadband the bill was £80 a month when they could get it right, the phone was the only part that always worked as it should.
now got pipex, sky and BT
pipex £24 a month
sky £34 a month
bt £16 a month (payment plan)
total £74 a month, £6 cheaper than NTL and we get a service that works and includes a lot more channels and double the upload of ntl.

I don't care what you say this is my reality, sky win hands down
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Old 09-02-2004, 12:14   #158
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Re: Want ADSL?-Read on....

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1) LOL you are joking, NTL wanted us to pay for the month after they came and collected the stb. with sky we just rang them and said remove the sports package and they did, it was gone. we spent 6 months trying to get NTL to remove a package. sky win that one no questions.

2) don't know about the 20 favorites I have not run out of slots in the personal planner yet.

3) the red dot has not annoyed me yet. where as NTL's red button never worked.

4) movie channels, we now have at least 12 (I ain't counted them all) we didn't have any with NTL except front row pay stuff. the sky tv package have does cost less than we were paying NTL.

when we had ntl tv. phone and broadband the bill was £80 a month when they could get it right, the phone was the only part that always worked as it should.
now got pipex, sky and BT
pipex £24 a month
sky £34 a month
bt £16 a month (payment plan)
total £74 a month, £6 cheaper than NTL and we get a service that works and includes a lot more channels and double the upload of ntl.

I don't care what you say this is my reality, sky win hands down
And you cant argue with that
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And there was me thinking that this was a thread about ADSL......
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Old 09-02-2004, 12:44   #160
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4) movie channels, we now have at least 12 (I ain't counted them all) we didn't have any with NTL except front row pay stuff. the sky tv package have does cost less than we were paying NTL.
Could that've been cos you weren't subscribed to any movie channels??

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Re: Want ADSL?-Read on....

Ok-not having Sky (yet)-doesn't Sky have A) more exclusive channels that aren't available on cable?, & B) more channels-period?

I know it's a fairly complex business working out which is better value for money, & I've read the PR blurb by both ntl & Sky, & I'm still none the wiser!

*Goes off to put thinking cap on*

[Edit]-Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you take the top ntl package of channels (called Family Pack with Sports & Movies), it works out to £47.50 (including your phone line)

If you have the equivalent package from Sky, (called Sky World & Family Pack), you pay £40 per month (without a phone line for which you need to add £9.50 or thereabouts)

So....

Sky dish & BT phone line=£4 9.50 per month for top package (number of channels to be confirmed-"over 101 channels" according to website http://www.sky.com/skycom/article/0,...ml?CMP=IL21287 )

Top ntl DTV pack= £47.50 inc phone line (number of channels to be confirmed-ntl's 'Family Pack + Sport & Movies pack' includes ALL the Family Pack channels plus 15 Sky premium channels and 4 Disney channels)

So how many channels in ntl's 'Family Pack'? (as their website is less than clear- http://www.ntlhome.com/ntl_tv/premium.html )

So my guess would be that the extra £2.00 per month for Sky takes into account their recent price rise, whereas ntl have yet to announce theirs, plus it looks like you get more channels for the same money anyway.

Worth bearing in mind is that with Sky you get full interactive services (if that interests you), whereas with ntl all the red button does for most people is freeze the STB!), & also the [u]choice[/i] of Sky + (which is the hard disk recorder service that looks very tasty), but with ntl there is no choice.

I have tried to be objective here, but can't help thinking that ntl offer the inferior service for you ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£ÃƒÆ ’â€šÃ‚Â£Ãƒà €šÃ‚£-or am I wrong?
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Ok-not having Sky (yet)-doesn't Sky have A) more exclusive channels that aren't available on cable?, & B) more channels-period?

I know it's a fairly complex business working out which is better value for money, & I've read the PR blurb by both ntl & Sky, & I'm still none the wiser!

*Goes off to put thinking cap on*
Yes on both counts Neil, but the only question regarding channels is which system has the channels that you want? Sky certainly has better interactive than NTL but the red spot can be a nuisance although you can get a red spot zapper to keep getting rid of it. The winner for me with Sky is SKY+ which definately alters the way that you watch TV and once sampled you wouldn't be without it. Yes, it does cost £200 to get it and have it installed (sometimes you may find special offers on this) but you don't get any video recorder for free and have to pay for other parts of your viewing such as the TV.
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Ok-not having Sky (yet)-doesn't Sky have A) more exclusive channels that aren't available on cable?, & B) more channels-period?

I know it's a fairly complex business working out which is better value for money, & I've read the PR blurb by both ntl & Sky, & I'm still none the wiser!

*Goes off to put thinking cap on*
There's evem MORE shopping and travel channels on Sky.....
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There's evem MORE shopping and travel channels on Sky.....
Like you need either.
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Like you need either.
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