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Old 05-06-2022, 14:48   #226
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Re: Season 2021/22

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People complaining about booing the knee gesture by Hungarians should look at English football where it is still booed by some.

Some English fans even boo their own National Anthem ffs.
Exactly as English football conveniently tries to brush many of its own problems underneath the carpet generally.
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People complaining about booing the knee gesture by Hungarians should look at English football where it is still booed by some.

Some English fans even boo their own National Anthem ffs.
True and I'm not saying it's right. Taking the knee should be dropped as it lost its effect long ago. Racism isn't just a football problem and I don't think society will ever rid itself of it. Not much gets said about black people being racist to white people oddly enough but it does go on. For me I don't care whether your black,white,green or orange so long as you don't support Sunderland or Newcastle! Only joking guys!
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Old 05-06-2022, 15:49   #228
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Re: Season 2021/22

Good on them to boo it, its time this stupid, pointless, political jesture was killed off.
The annoying part was how much the C4 pundits went on about it, as if it were more important than the match.

As to England, they clearly forgot to turn up, the performance was as embarassing as the pundits.

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Not a problem for me, I was watching the test match.
I think you made the best choice, even though I generally find test matches really boring as well.
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Good on them to boo it, its time this stupid, pointless, political jesture was killed off.
The annoying part was how much the C4 pundits went on about it, as if it were more important than the match.

As to England, they clearly forgot to turn up, the performance was as embarassing as the pundits.

I think you made the best choice, even though I generally find test matches really boring as well.
Yeah agree it should be stopped but booing it just paints those doing it as racists.
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I think you made the best choice, even though I generally find test matches really boring as well.
It was a great game to watch, constant ebb and flow, the result in doubt until the last hour, England won, what’s not to like.

As for taking the knee I still cannot fathom the reasoning behind this now pointless gesture. Surely kneeling down is a sign of subservience which is completely at odds with the aims of its instigators.
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It was a great game to watch, constant ebb and flow, the result in doubt until the last hour, England won, what’s not to like.

As for taking the knee I still cannot fathom the reasoning behind this now pointless gesture. Surely kneeling down is a sign of subservience which is completely at odds with the aims of its instigators.
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Old 05-06-2022, 18:04   #232
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Re: Season 2021/22

I still think kneeling is a subservient gesture. Perhaps they should stand on one leg.

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Yeah agree it should be stopped but booing it just paints those doing it as racists.
What about if they are racists, Hungary's last election returned a party in third place that doesn't even attempt to hide how unpleasant they are.

All this kneeling down stuff isn't for me though, never been a fan of gestures
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Mr K will be happy, I got the impression he is not a Solihull Moors fan.
Au contraire, I was going for Solihull ! Something fishy about Grimsby....

In other news Wales have qualified for the World Cup. First time since 1958. Fancy their chances against England, however USA and Iran will be trickier.
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Re: Season 2021/22

Watched the Wales v Ukraine match and was surprised to see it was Sky Sports bringing us coverage on ITV! Am I right in saying this is a first? Both Sky and ITV logo's on screen. Wonder if this could be the start of a beautiful friendship?
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Watched the Wales v Ukraine match and was surprised to see it was Sky Sports bringing us coverage on ITV! Am I right in saying this is a first? Both Sky and ITV logo's on screen. Wonder if this could be the start of a beautiful friendship?
Seem to remember it happened for the Cricket World Cup final when England won. Sky shared the coverage of the game with C4.
Wonderful loss leading advertising for them with viewing figures far exceeding what they usually get.
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Talking of C4, as I understand it, they have all the England matches for the next two years.
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Talking of C4, as I understand it, they have all the England matches for the next two years.
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Don't the Germans have a cracking national anthem ? Nearly as good as the Welsh one. The French and Italians have it sorted too.
Why is England's so crap? Should be Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory.
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Don't the Germans have a cracking national anthem ? Nearly as good as the Welsh one. The French and Italians have it sorted too.
Why is England's so crap? Should be Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory.
Ironically the Austria hymn tune the Germans use as their national anthem is an adaptation by Haydn of a Croatian folk tune.


It's a common hymn tune over here, so much that during the war, the BBC commissioned another tune to be used instead by a contemporary composer so that the hymn could be sung without the connotations of it also being the German national anthem.



No-one knows who wrote GSTK/Q, either lyrics or the tune; at one point it was thought that the tune was Thomas Arne's (similar to Rule Britannia) but some now think (ironically, as he was also of German extraction) that it was actually by Handel (controls over attribution were lax and there was ofc no copyright in those days). What I find offputting about it (even as an agnostic who works in church music) is that the focus of it isn't on the monarch, not at least in the first verse (there are 2 or 3 in most editions but originally loads more), but actually on God, which fits less well in the more secular/multi-faith society we are in now. I do like the idea of Jerusalem. It's a cracking tune by Parry (as is the Elgar Pomp & Circumstance march 1) but I don't think Blake was entirely being serious or devotional when writing the poem, which may make it seem jingoistic but in reality perhaps not.



So who really knows. I guess the reason why we're still using it is that no-one really likes (universally) the other main alternatives.
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