UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

A generous gesture which we should accept if the worst comes to pass.

EU makes no-deal transport offer in return for 'level playing field' agreement

Bloc will keep roads open to hauliers and let UK operate flights for six months if UK agrees to maintain ‘equivalent’ regulations

The EU has offered to keep planes, coaches and freight operating across Europe for six months after a no-deal exit – if the government agrees to maintain a “level playing field” in standards, the issue that has dogged the trade and security talks.
In a flurry of announcements, the European commission said it would legislate to temporarily allow airlines from the UK to operate flights across its territory and keep roads open to British hauliers and buses.

The EU will also offer British fishermen access to its seas and open negotiations over quotas, if the UK government reciprocates. But the commission said the offer was for a limited period and it was only willing to act to avoid the worst disruption, including the risk of “public disorder”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lks-to-succeed

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A generous gesture which we should accept if the worst comes to pass.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lks-to-succeed

Have they?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4850

As per, the EU is attempting linkage between unconnected issues.

If maintaining overflight and road haulage are each desirable in their own right then individual reciprocal agreement in each area makes sense.

There is however absolutely no connection with fisheries, and it cannot be reasonable to make the passage of emergency regulations in one area contingent on another. To do so is to treat them as actually not much of an emergency at all.

What this looks like is an attempt to extend a bare-bones version of the transition period, something which the withdrawal agreement specified should be requested by the UK and agreed to by the EU (not vice versa, IIRC). I predict this won’t fly in any form that maintains these linkages, and that if the EU persists, it is likely because they want to look like they held out the olive branch and aren’t at all responsible for any chaos that might ensue.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

We don't have to accept any of the EU demands. But they don't have to give us tariff free trade either. You make your vote and you take the consequences.

Why are Brexiteers still so angry after 4 years? Surely they've got what they want. Or do they now realise their error ? Tbh no blame can he attached as they have been lied to, big time.

The Brexiteers are angry because of May who allowed the EU to define the WA process and timetable.

Had she simply said that she wouldn't allow them to set the rules and that we would be leaving the EU on the default date we could have saved a heck of a lot of money in EU dues.

It was her Remainer leanings that have got us here to this No Deal point. There was n ever going to be a deal because the EU want to punish us. We mustn't stand for that.

I now want Boris to embark on a "Buy British" campaign and provide the economic injections necessary for this.

... unless a miracle happens by Sunday.

[heero_yuy]

Before the EU cuts up rough about overflights of the EU they should take a minute to consider that the transatlantic routes are set up and controlled by the UK and USA.

Any flight over the Atlantic has to sign in to the control centre and then fly the route they are allocated. Normally this is with the optimum jetstream conditions.

They could find their airlines given crap routes with the worst jetstream conditions.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Chris

As per, the EU is attempting linkage between unconnected issues.

If maintaining overflight and road haulage are each desirable in their own right then individual reciprocal agreement in each area makes sense.

There is however absolutely no connection with fisheries, and it cannot be reasonable to make the passage of emergency regulations in one area contingent on another. To do so is to treat them as actually not much of an emergency at all.

What this looks like is an attempt to extend a bare-bones version of the transition period, something which the withdrawal agreement specified should be requested by the UK and agreed to by the EU (not vice versa, IIRC). I predict this won’t fly in any form that maintains these linkages, and that if the EU persists, it is likely because they want to look like they held out the olive branch and aren’t at all responsible for any chaos that might ensue.

The EU press release I posted earlier makes no mention of any linkage at all and only mentions EU aircraft.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Have they?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4850

You're well ahead of the curve.

Originally Posted by pip08456

The EU press release I posted earlier makes no mention of any linkage at all and only mentions EU aircraft.

Yup, I read the press release earlier and it certainly doesn’t explicitly make linkage, so I didn’t respond to it when you posted it. However it’s possibly just ambiguous enough for the Graun to have concluded that it does, insofar as the 4 clauses are presented together and may only be available as a single package. The Graun may have phoned the EU press office for clarification or it may be just shoddy journalism from the Grauniad.

I’ve looked up the BBC’s own report now and they don’t seem to see linkage in it, which is a relief (and will teach me to take anything written by the po-faced, smug lefties at the Guardian at face value). The BBC’s angle is that there is more than a whiff of “level playing field” in the EU’s offer, which might still kill it as far as HMG is concerned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

[jonbxx]

Yeah, looked at the actual documents rather than the press release here and couldn't see any linkage.

It does seem like a lot of the contingencies are reciprocal so hopefully, they will indeed be reciprocated to keep flights and trucks moving

[1andrew1]

The BBC report says:

The commission also said its offers on road and air transport would depend on the UK providing "fair and equal opportunities", adding: "A level playing field requires that, even after the end of the transition period, the United Kingdom continues to apply sufficiently high and comparable standards."

The idea of level playing field measures is to ensure businesses on one side do not have an unfair advantage over their competitors on the other.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

This appears to support the Guardian's interpretation, doesn't it?.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The BBC report says:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

This appears to support the Guardian's interpretation, doesn't it?.

But in a limited context. From actual EU document.

A level playing field requires that, even after the end of the transition period, the United Kingdom continues to apply sufficiently high and comparable standards in the area of road freight and road passenger transport as regards: fair competition including the regulation of cartels, abuse of dominant position and mergers; the prohibition of unjustified government subsidies; the protection of workers and a high level of road safety; the protection of the environment; safety and security, or relating to the granting of licences to road operators or to the qualification, training and medical controls for professional drivers.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

But in a limited context. From actual EU document.

Thank you.

[Pierre]

It’s obvious there will be no agreement on the two main issues, so they need to find a 3rd way. Something new.

[Carth]

Looks to me that the EU are insinuating that we (the UK) may start to become lax in the way we operate.

or are we supposed to lower our standards to meet all 27 of those EU countries

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