UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Originally Posted by Carth

Bankers & Accountants . . . just what we need to screw things up again

Well, since Finacial Services are 75 (over £130 million per year) of the the UK’s economic output, they are quote useful...

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Carth

Bankers & Accountants . . . just what we need to screw things up again

Maybe the government have learnt from their past mistakes and ineptitude, and have finally decided they've had enough of half arsed screw-ups and are going out of their way to make sure they do it properly

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Bankers & Accountants . . . just what we need to screw things up again

I think the principle here is: If you know you're about to screw things up royally, make sure your scapegoats are in place beforehand.

[Sephiroth]

Excellent that the UK is telling the EU to do one.

It's very clear to all that we cannot be the EU's vassal post-Brexit. They still accuse us of wanting our cake to eat whilst demanding that they have our fish to eat on their terms.

Never mind the miniscule economic impact over the fisheries that the Remainers try to shove in our faces. Leaving the EU means we plough an independent furrow and develop accordingly.

Coronavirus has given us an opportunity because the EU is an arguing institution ravaged by the disease. They have to recover their disparate economies whereas we have to just grow ourselves, by our rules (of which they are scared stiff).

Sod 'em (and Sturgeon).

Problem is, the UK are breaking a signed treaty, at the time we want to be signing new treaties with lots of countries - why should any country trust us to uphold the terms of a treaty, when we are showing we won’t?

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-...0-130c75a2f7a7

The UK is planning new legislation that will override key parts of the Brexit withdrawal agreement, risking the collapse of trade negotiations with Brussels.

Sections of the internal market bill — due to be published this Wednesday — are expected to “eliminate the legal force of parts of the withdrawal agreement” in areas including state aid and Northern Ireland customs, according to three people familiar with the plans...

..."It is a very blunt instrument,” said one of those familiar with the matter. “The bill will explicitly say the government reserves the right to set its own regime, directly setting up UK law in opposition with obligations under the withdrawal agreement, and in full cognisance that this will breach international law"

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Problem is, the UK are breaking a signed treaty, at the time we want to be signing new treaties with lots of countries - why should any country trust us to uphold the terms of a treaty, when we are showing we won’t?

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-...0-130c75a2f7a7

[nomadking]

"reserves the right" is not the same as "is going to". What does the UN Convention on Law of the Seas, say about who controls fishing in UK waters?

Originally Posted by Hugh

Problem is, the UK are breaking a signed treaty, at the time we want to be signing new treaties with lots of countries - why should any country trust us to uphold the terms of a treaty, when we are showing we won’t?

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-...0-130c75a2f7a7

Except that they aren’t.

The bill is worded so as to allow for a course of action, it does not implement that course of action. In circumstances such as these, the two are worlds apart. As drafted, it amounts to a threat, and taken in concert with other comments made over the weekend (no doubt all perfectly coordinated) is part of a strategy to pressure the EU into accepting that any permanent trade deal will not in any way leave the U.K. with a sort of associate membership status. Only once the EU drops its negotiating aim of keeping the U.K. aligned, will it be possible for a deal to be reached.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Coronavirus has given us an opportunity because the EU is an arguing institution ravaged by the disease. They have to recover their disparate economies whereas we have to just grow ourselves, by our rules (of which they are scared stiff).
Sod 'em (and Sturgeon).

Where have you been, Seph? Coronavirus has ravaged the UK too, arguably worse than many of our peers.

If there is no deal, the EU has deals with most of the world, its own internal market of 450m and has the infrastructure and people in place to cope. Embarrassingly as a Brit, we have neither.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Where have you been, Seph? Coronavirus has ravaged the UK too, arguably worse than many of our peers.

If there is no deal, the EU has deals with most of the world, its own internal market of 450m and has the infrastructure and people in place to cope. Embarrassingly as a Brit, we have neither.

I agree with your first paragraph but you could have taken that for granted. My point, which could have been better expressed, is that the UK has to climb out of the Covid ravages much like the EU has to. There is little there in the EU right now (ravaged) that can help us to grow faster as they're too busy with themselves, and then not in concert because they are not really a cohesive union.

What you should be saying, as a Brit, is that a deal with the EU would be better than no deal, but not at any price and certainly not a deal that makes us a vassal state to the EU.

You seem still to be fighting the referendum battle.

[Carth]

Here's a little tip for those who keep blasting the UK over its Brexit stance, and feel the UK is doomed and the EU is still the best place to live & work . . .


. . there are a few places on the SE coast that have a growing collection of dinghies. I'm sure that if you fully explain your situation, they'll let you have one with which to escape to the nearest EU coast . . . they'll probably give you the fuel required too

hope this helps

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Problem is, the UK are breaking a signed treaty, at the time we want to be signing new treaties with lots of countries - why should any country trust us to uphold the terms of a treaty, when we are showing we won’t?

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-...0-130c75a2f7a7

Something something respect what was voted for something something.

Oh wait, I forgot that only applies to remoaners.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Problem is, the UK are breaking a signed treaty, at the time we want to be signing new treaties with lots of countries - why should any country trust us to uphold the terms of a treaty, when we are showing we won’t?

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-...0-130c75a2f7a7

Because that treaty assumed that we would get a deal with the EU. If we don't get that, why would we continue with a treaty that assumed a trade deal?

Who wants their cake and eat it now?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Because that treaty assumed that we would get a deal with the EU. If we don't get that, why would we continue with a treaty that assumed a trade deal?

Who wants their cake and eat it now?

Well said, OB.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Where have you been, Seph? Coronavirus has ravaged the UK too, arguably worse than many of our peers.

If there is no deal, the EU has deals with most of the world, its own internal market of 450m and has the infrastructure and people in place to cope. Embarrassingly as a Brit, we have neither.

You missed the bit where Seph said we will grow our own economy.

Don't give us that old chestnut about 'no deal' being a disaster. Most trade around the world is on WTO terms. There are other places other than the EU where we can forge deals more suited to our requirements than was possible in the EU. Some are already virtually there, ready to be implemented in 2021.