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'Let's give' is not a statement, it is a suggestion and it was definitely not a promise either.
'We promise to give to the NHS' is a promise and a statement. Those words were not used, so you are fundamentally incorrect.
Either way, all the people I know who voted for Brexit made their choice way before any red bus campaigining began because they had enough of the corrupt EU for many many years before hand.
It only became a suggestion or aspiration once they were asked to deliver upon it and the people that funded and ran the campaign said it was vital and we wouldn't be leaving without the bus, apparently 33% of the public thought it true and 10% still think it's true, I think I'll take that above the opinion of Mick and people he knows.
I find the truly bizarre thing is that people believed charlatans who have said numerous times they wanted to do away with the NHS altogether, the Farages and Banks of this world who all of a sudden wanted to bless the NHS will billions post brexit
It only became a suggestion or aspiration once they were asked to deliver upon it and the people that funded and ran the campaign said it was vital and we wouldn't be leaving without the bus, apparently 33% of the public thought it true and 10% still think it's true, I think I'll take that above the opinion of Mick and people he knows.
Nothing like politicians talking with forked tongue and then backtracking from their promises when it suits them..
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Either way, all the people I know who voted for Brexit made their choice way before any red bus campaigining began because they had enough of the corrupt EU for many many years before hand.
Don't forget some of our own corrupt politicians in Westminster and beyond as some of them have been feathering their golden nests for a good many years and will still do even when we have left the EU but of course its one of our own so it must be alright..
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It only became a suggestion or aspiration once they were asked to deliver upon it and the people that funded and ran the campaign said it was vital and we wouldn't be leaving without the bus, apparently 33% of the public thought it true and 10% still think it's true, I think I'll take that above the opinion of Mick and people he knows.
I find the truly bizarre thing is that people believed charlatans who have said numerous times they wanted to do away with the NHS altogether, the Farages and Banks of this world who all of a sudden wanted to bless the NHS will billions post brexit
You're another one, who conveniently forgets the lies told from the Remain camp, how many people were 'took in' from lie after lie from them?
Does the crappy Mirror give a balanced view of the % of people took in by Remain camp lies...?
Then came the pathetic black mailing attempt from President Obama with the back of queue bullshit.
But oh dear, you are posting a poll from an Anti-Brexit paper. 1) Most polls are and have been wrong so I find them unreliable. 2) Mirror is Anti-Brexit, so I wouldn't trust them whatsoever. 3) Only one poll mattered, far bigger sample size of around 33 Million and it's being enacted on.
I couldn't give a toss what opinion you take over mine. I know why I voted and that's all I care about and it was not the damn 'suggestion' on the red bus, that persuaded me!
Farage and Banks were not in the official leave campaign, that launched the red bus and even if they had 'suggested money to the NHS', they were not in government to enact on it and as I have said repeatedly, no promise was made, read the bloody words.
Stop clutching at straws and looking for silly reasons as to why people voted the way the did to try and de-legitimise the result, it is not going to change the result.
Leaving this clip here, as I see we are here again, must be Groundhog Day!.
Really, you wait to hear the moaning if we leave in name only with the softest of soft brexit, then certain people will be expecting everyone to rally round to the will of the people, trouble is when over half the population have been told to shut up and that their opinion doesn't count they may well be inclined to remain tight lipped.
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Originally Posted by Mick
You're another one, who conveniently forgets the lies told from the Remain camp, how many people were 'took in' from lie after lie from them?
Does the crappy Mirror give a balanced view of the % of people took in by Remain camp lies...?
Then came the pathetic black mailing attempt from President Obama with the back of queue bullshit.
But oh dear, you are posting a poll from an Anti-Brexit paper. 1) Most polls are and have been wrong so I find them unreliable. 2) Mirror is Anti-Brexit, so I wouldn't trust them whatsoever. 3) Only one poll mattered, far bigger sample size of around 33 Million and it's being enacted on.
I couldn't give a toss what opinion you take over mine. I know why I voted and that's all I care about and it was not the damn 'suggestion' on the red bus, that persuaded me!
Farage and Banks were not in the official leave campaign, that launched the red bus and even if they had 'suggested money to the NHS', they were not in government to enact on it and as I have said repeatedly, no promise was made, read the bloody words.
Stop clutching at straws and looking for silly reasons as to why people voted the way the did to try and de-legitimise the result, it is not going to change the result.
Leaving this clip here, as I see we are here again, must be Groundhog Day!.
Said it before, the good thing about forums is your posting history is there for all to see and I was scathing to both sides in the run up to the referendum and on the night itself pre result about the amount of lies, lack of facts, scaremongering and shabby presentation, still don't get that get in the way of your angry little accusations.
'Let's give' is not a statement, it is a suggestion and it was definitely not a promise either.
'We promise to give to the NHS' is a promise and a statement. Those words were not used, so you are fundamentally incorrect.
Either way, all the people I know who voted for Brexit made their choice way before any red bus campaigining began because they had enough of the corrupt EU for many many years before hand.
I made my mind up based on my feelings about the EU not the bull excreta during the run up to the vote.
I made my mind up based on my feelings about the EU not the bull excreta during the run up to the vote.
Always got to ask yourself, what's the alternative ? Do you think our Government could run a piss up in a brewery ? Look at the shambles they are in before Brexit has even happened ? The EU don't run our NHS for example, look at the state it's in.
The EU is far from perfect but does do some postive things e.g. stopping drug firms ripping us off, getting rid of credit charges (even though Theresa tried to claim the credit for that !), cheap flights, freedom to work in the EU, consumer and worker protection
Be prepared to lose these, and the interests of the rich and businesses to come first. Still at least we'll have our country back (in a sort of Charles Dickens type way ).
Really, you wait to hear the moaning if we leave in name only with the softest of soft brexit, then certain people will be expecting everyone to rally round to the will of the people, trouble is when over half the population have been told to shut up and that their opinion doesn't count they may well be inclined to remain tight lipped.
Said it before, the good thing about forums is your posting history is there for all to see and I was scathing to both sides in the run up to the referendum and on the night itself pre result about the amount of lies, lack of facts, scaremongering and shabby presentation, still don't get that get in the way of your angry little accusations.
Because it had nothing to do with what you posted earlier and what I subsequently replied to.
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Always got to ask yourself, what's the alternative ? Do you think our Government could run a piss up in a brewery ? Look at the shambles they are in before Brexit has even happened ? The EU don't run our NHS for example, look at the state it's in.
The EU is far from perfect but does do some postive things e.g. stopping drug firms ripping us off, getting rid of credit charges (even though Theresa tried to claim the credit for that !), cheap flights, freedom to work in the EU, consumer and worker protection
Be prepared to lose these, and the interests of the rich and businesses to come first. Still at least we'll have our country back (in a sort of Charles Dickens type way ).
None of those stop the EU from being Corrupt. I still want to leave the EU.
How exactly is the EU as an institution corrupt? I hear this mentioned a number of times. There is certainly evidence of corruption at a state level but I would be interested in hearing about corruption at the EU (Parliament, Council, Commission, etc.) level
How exactly is the EU as an institution corrupt? I hear this mentioned a number of times. There is certainly evidence of corruption at a state level but I would be interested in hearing about corruption at the EU (Parliament, Council, Commission, etc.) level
None of those stop the EU from being Corrupt. I still want to leave the EU.
And you think our Govt. isn't corrupt Mick? A cabinet of millionaires, many with links and shares in private companies ? Are they going to make Brexit work for us, or themselves ?
Not that I am trying to defend Nigel, he can do that himself but he’s categorically denied what’s in that link. Wasn’t there issues with funds from the Remain camp too ?
The EU is corrupt in many ways. They lie, extort and just basically rip countries off and we are the ones getting ripped off. We are handicapped when taking trade deals. They did not listen when Cameron asked them to reform. Told countries they had to take extra migrants or else, when we are taking 300K per year already. Bit by bit, they want more control of our laws. They told us they are not trying to become a United States of Europe, but they have ambitions to be so and have a EU Army. No thank you.
And you think our Govt. isn't corrupt Mick? A cabinet of millionaires, many with links and shares in private companies ? Are they going to make Brexit work for us, or themselves ?
And you think our Govt. isn't corrupt Mick? A cabinet of millionaires, many with links and shares in private companies ? Are they going to make Brexit work for us, or themselves ?
And after what you claim, I would still choose them over a Corbyn/Momentum/Racist to Jews led government.
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