Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Pierre

they seem to think that there will be no super rich in a independent Scotland, and the wealth will be magically spread to all.

Its scary but some of the leaflets in the less well off areas are basically offers of bribes. They've gone down the route of Milliband with picking wee slogans that get repeated at every opportunity like 'fairer society' without actually telling anyone what that means or how they are going to achieve it.

If they do get the result they want and the socialist utopia experiment gets going then get ready for a huge brain drain away from Scotland.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Just watched this, as I taped it from last night.

I couldn't believe the naivety of some of the people. They seem to think they will all be living in some kind of socialist utopia in the event of a YES vote.

Some of them really have swallowed the bull.

An independent Scotland will be a socially just place, away from the morally corrupt English bankers.

they seem to think that there will be no super rich in a independent Scotland, and the wealth will be magically spread to all.

They've forgotten the major role Scottish banks played in the chaos already then...

[RichardCoulter]

In the event of a yes vote, do we know if people currently living in Scotland that are not deemed to be 'Scottish' will be required to leave?

Will Scottish people living outside Scotland have the automatic right to move into Scotland whenever they please?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

In the event of a yes vote, do we know if people currently living in Scotland that are not deemed to be 'Scottish' will be required to leave?

Don't be daft.

Will Scottish people living outside Scotland have the automatic right to move into Scotland whenever they please?

One would assume so, as would non-Scottish Europeans, if Scotland wishes to be part of the EU.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

In the event of a yes vote, do we know if people currently living in Scotland that are not deemed to be 'Scottish' will be required to leave?

No

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Will Scottish people living outside Scotland have the automatic right to move into Scotland whenever they please?

Why should we?

We could have done this at any time - I'm not sure a bunch of rabble-rousing economic illiterates (IMHO) shouting 'FREEDOM!!!!' would drastically change my point of view...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Pierre

One would assume so, as would non-Scottish Europeans, if Scotland wishes to be part of the EU.

I should have said that my scenario assumes that Scotland is not part of the EU.

Originally Posted by Hugh

No Why should we?

We could have done this at any time - I'm not sure a bunch of rabble-rousing economic illiterates (IMHO) shouting 'FREEDOM!!!!' would drastically change my point of view...

So if it is a yes vote and Scotland is not part of the EU, Scottish people living outside the country wouldn't be able to automatically return? I'm thinking of situations where people may wish to return eg to retire to their birthplace.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by Osem

They've forgotten the major role Scottish banks played in the chaos already then...

Not just Scottish banks, but English ones too, aka Northern Rock. Greed is universal.

According to the SNP white paper, because I was born in Scotland, I will (in the event of partition) have Scottish Citizenship (as well as my current UK citizenship).

My assumption is that being a Scottish citizen (should my fellow Scots and the 10% of the population who are English vote for Separatism), I will have right of Domicile (should I wish to partake of it) in the land of my birth....

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Horizon

Not just Scottish banks, but English ones too, aka Northern Rock. Greed is universal.

Did I say no English banks were involved? In was commenting on a remark about English bankers and pointing out the role Scottish banks (not to mention a Scottish Chancellor) played in the crash.

I think you'll find that the Govt. bailouts required by RBS and BOS dwarfed Northern Crock and all the others. The Scottish bank failures account for the majority of public funds which were poured into the backing system so whilst greed is universal the English really can't be blamed for everything.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by Osem

Did I say no English banks were involved? In was commenting on a remark about English bankers and pointing out the role Scottish banks (not to mention a Scottish Chancellor) played in the crash.

I think you'll find that the Govt. bailouts required by RBS and BOS dwarfed Northern Crock and all the others. The Scottish bank failures account for the majority of public funds which were poured into the backing system so whilst greed is universal the English really can't be blamed for everything.

I don't disagree with you apart from the emphasis on Scottish and by the way, I'm English. All those banks were British and their seeds of their destruction were sown long before they actually failed and that was because of greedy, ignorant banking bosses not doing the most basic checks which led to their demise.

If we just carp on about them being Scottish banks it plays right into Salmond's hands. And I'm no fan of Gordon (sell off all our gold at the cheapest prices) Brown either.

[Osem]

The emphasis falls where the bailouts fell so far as I'm concerned. Salmond likes to overlook these, amongst many other, inconvenient truths and if the Scots buy that carp best of luck to them.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Horizon

Not just Scottish banks, but English ones too, aka Northern Rock. Greed is universal.

The problem that Northern Rock had was that they funded the money for the mortgages that they issued, by selling on existing mortgages to other financial companies. Then suddenly the bottom dropped out of the market for those resold mortgages. That meant that they had trouble funding new mortgages. The problem was a general lack of trust in the packages of mortgages being sold by anybody.

[Horizon]

....and the new mortgages were sold to people who couldn't afford them in the first place, so the bottom dropped out from both ends of the mortgage, so to speak. The house buyer couldn't afford the mortgage, so never should've have got it in the first place. And at the other end, an American pension fund manager is buying into a fund without realising its actually and ultimately a repackaged mortgage from Britain. Total mess.

But anyway, back to Scotland before this becomes a banking bashing thread, not that there's anything wrong with bashing bankers.

The banks would have been screwed in a Independent Scotland however much they like to pretend it wouldn't. All banks had money in other banks, as soon as Lehman fell then the rest followed. It wouldn't have mattered one bit where that bank was as became apparent when every country got hit by the crisis.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Horizon

....and the new mortgages were sold to people who couldn't afford them in the first place, so the bottom dropped out from both ends of the mortgage, so to speak. The house buyer couldn't afford the mortgage, so never should've have got it in the first place. And at the other end, an American pension fund manager is buying into a fund without realising its actually and ultimately a repackaged mortgage from Britain. Total mess.

But anyway, back to Scotland before this becomes a banking bashing thread, not that there's anything wrong with bashing bankers.

But how much was Northern Rock responsible for that. If was problems with mortgages issued by others in other countries, that mainly caused their problems.