Will Scotland Leave the UK? - Page 151

Osem · 15-09-2014, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Pierre

what do you reckon? in the event of a No win?

Localised violence/ riots?

Doesn't take a lot for that to happen, anywhere, nowadays

Well it'd be a great opportunity for some wanton looting and destruction. I wonder if Salmond's cronies have any contingency plans for such a reaction. If they have I don't suppose they'd be keen to admit it since that'd be an acknowledgment of the anger and hatred they've stirred up for political ends.

richard s · 15-09-2014, 14:07

The Scots are use to vandalism, looting and destruction... they had it under the Thatcher years!

15-09-2014, 15:42

To a very small group of Scots hatred towards the English is all consuming and this referendum has allowed them to go top gear and not only express it but intimidate others. When this is all over the social damage and cost are going to take a very long time to repair if it can be repaired and given that any no victory doesn't look as though it's going to be large this issue will be kept burning till the SNP think they can get another vote. I honestly don't think the SNP care what lies they tell or damage they do as long as they get their victory no amount of reality is getting through to them and that is translating down to quite a lot of people.

Also the actions of the SNP in all this will have not gone down well with most people and organisations they will have to negotiate with should they get a yes victory. Resentment in ruk is at an all time high against Scotland and any major giveaway of any sort is not going to be well received by the majority. It is going to be generations before the mess from this is put behind people that's the legacy of salmond and he knows it and doesn't give a damn.

nashville · 15-09-2014, 15:47

Getting close to the 18th. Hope to God it is a NO.

denphone · 15-09-2014, 15:54

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Originally Posted by nashville

Getting close to the 18th. Hope to God it is a NO.

Me too nash.

Derek · 15-09-2014, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre

what do you reckon? in the event of a No win?

Localised violence/ riots?

That's just a Friday night!

Nah I think there will be petted lips all round and accusations of dirty tricks but no widespread disorder. The cops will be in meltdown dealing with twitter and Facebook abuse and threats though.

Osem · 15-09-2014, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Derek

That's just a Friday night!

Nah I think there will be petted lips all round and accusations of dirty tricks but no widespread disorder. The cops will be in meltdown dealing with twitter and Facebook abuse and threats though.

Let's hope you're right.

Pierre · 15-09-2014, 17:57

Just listened to decent portion of Cameron's speech.

He came across very well.

I can understand why he didn't get involved, but I would have liked to have seen him up against Salmond.

Osem · 15-09-2014, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Just listened to decent portion of Cameron's speech.

He came across very well.

I can understand why he didn't get involved, but I would have liked to have seen him up against Salmond.

He was always going to be damned either way.

weenie · 15-09-2014, 18:16

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Originally Posted by nashville

Getting close to the 18th. Hope to God it is a NO.

Ditto nash

My son received a letter from his union today urging their members to vote NO, also at the bottom of the page If you don't know - then vote NO. Hope he takes their advice

Osem · 16-09-2014, 10:48

I see Salmond will be big enough to 'offer the hand of friendship' to the English should the vote be Yes. How very decent nice of him.... After presiding over a miserable campaign of threats, bile, paranoia and hatred, he'll forget all that if he gets his way, forgive the English for all their sins and be ready to do business, presuming of course that he gets everything he wants! If he doesn't the English need to be clear that his true colours will once again come to the fore along with similar threats, bile and hatred.

Salmond always wanted to go down in history for something and IMHO his place in the record books is now secure as the man who changed, greatly for the worse, the relationship between the people England and Scotland. Irrespective of the result, there's already great deal of resentment pent up south of the border and it's only going to get worse as either a whole raft of concessions will be sent north or we'll be subject to years more of his nauseating pomposity in demanding what he wants and telling us what we can have. In igniting and playing to such emotions amongst his compatriots I believe he's aroused an opposing set of emotions amongst many English for whom I feel there's an increasing sense of 'enough is enough' from this guy in particular and the SNP in general.

With the general election not far away, I'm hoping the English electorate will bear very carefully in mind what the likes of Clegg, Miliband and Cameron say/do after the vote and to what extent, if any, they consider the feelings and wishes of the English before making important concessions.

**Chris** · 16-09-2014, 10:53

This is a bit awkward for the Nats.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29213416

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Confidential papers passed to the BBC suggest a radical cost-saving plan will be implemented in the Scottish NHS after the referendum.

The papers were presented to a meeting of health board chief executives and civil servants last month.

They suggest the NHS is facing a £400m funding gap, and sweeping changes will be needed for boards to break even.

Ignitionnet · 16-09-2014, 11:34

http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7366

Doesn't make good reading either. Despite more overall austerity between 2009 and planned 2016 (-13% departmental spending versus -8% in Scotland) the NHS has seen a real terms increase in funding in England and Wales of 4% compared with a real terms 1% decrease in Scotland.

All about the priorities.

They should still vote yes, mind. Can't be any worse than the current UK basket case.

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Originally Posted by Osem

He was always going to be damned either way.

Given he and the rest of the politicians have, in a desperate knee-jerk attempt to bribe the Scottish electorate, promised them the continuation of the Barnett formula for the foreseeable along with 'extensive powers' for the Scottish Parliament you're absolutely right he is damned.

After arrogantly discounting the possibility of a 'yes' vote they suddenly scramble like headless chickens and start opening the cheque book, the one you and I fund, to bribe the Scots to stay in the union.

He, Milliband and Clegg are all damned; spineless *******s.

Sparkle · 16-09-2014, 12:23

Agreed.

Also, the Scottish independence referendum really only happened because it was assumed the vote would be a definitive no, a sure thing. Once it became apparent that the result might not be so predictable, the gov is suddenly having kittens....

Just like a lot of things really, we'll only get a referendum on the EU when the gov is certain they'll get their way. Is that really democracy when the gov only allows us a say when they're sure they'll get their way? I really don't think so, although it gives the illusion of democracy, this time its backfired and possibly too many people have seen through their BS. Too many, as in the gov might just lose this little gamble.

I'm all for a divorce from Westminster, and I hope the Yes camp win. If the rest of us ever get the chance to divorce from Westminster, I sure hope we do the right thing and vote Yes too.

Doug P · 16-09-2014, 12:35

Independence for Scotland and the Scots is a huge mistake and nothing will ever persuade me otherwise.

They will regret a yes vote big time.