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Old 17-02-2018, 21:23   #61
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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It’s an Amendment - it can be repealed.

The Constitution is the basis, but allowed for Amendments, which can be repealed.

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The Russia Investigation Team is based in New York and Washington, not in Miami.
The NRA have been very good at pulling the wool over people's eyes. Amendment means change and changes can be made to changes. And as others have pointed out, the right bear arms is as part of a militia.
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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It’s an Amendment - it can be repealed.

The Constitution is the basis, but allowed for Amendments, which can be repealed.

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The Russia Investigation Team is based in New York and Washington, not in Miami.

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Interestingly enough, the US passed the Militia Act of 1903, which designated the militia as two groups: the Unorganized Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.

Unorganized doesn’t sound like well-regulated...
Why bring Nigel Farage in to this topic?.

Totally irrelevant, I never brought him up , why did you feel the need to, together with your own personal response to him?

If you feel that aggrieved... Go respond to him on Twitter, not here. Nobody else brought him up.

For the record, I don’t need a lecture on how Amendments and the U.S Constitution works either. Any change would still take some serious undoing.

Nobody has still answered how you remove hundreds of millions of guns out of circulation, should it ever come the day guns do get outlawed. It will take some doing though.
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Shame on you

Good speech from Florida student.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-u...s-shame-on-you
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It won’t change anything sadly. Been here many times before.
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It won’t change anything sadly. Been here many times before.
The President could do something of he really wanted and wasn't too obsessed with himself.
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The President could do something of he really wanted and wasn't too obsessed with himself.
Not up to the President to legislate, that’s Congresses job. The President signs passed legislation in to law.
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Banning of Handguns came after Dunblane, how many maniacs have gone on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK since?
The handgun ban (as it presently stands) was, imo, a strange knee jerk response to Dunblane.
You ask "how many maniacs have gone on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK since?" as if the handgun ban had something to do with it but consider this: you can presently still buy a semi-automatic rifle and stick a 30 round mag into it. You can also possess a few thousand rounds of ammunition and as many 30 round mags as you want. Plenty to be getting on with for a killing spree if you were so inclined.
I therefore suspect that the lack of incidents in the UK is down to the difficulty in getting a gun license and stringent controls over owning guns. Nothing to do with banning handguns.

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Semi Automatic rifles are perfectly legal in the UK for .22 (which I assure you can kill).
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Larger calibres are also allowed, just not actual semi-auto - but you could still easily kill a lot of people with them if you wanted.
fyi, The Southern Gun Co. make a mod for their .223 caliber that all but turns it into a semi-auto.
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

Do you not need a licence and to register the rifle with the police though?
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Why bring Nigel Farage in to this topic?.

Totally irrelevant, I never brought him up , why did you feel the need to, together with your own personal response to him?

If you feel that aggrieved... Go respond to him on Twitter, not here. Nobody else brought him up.

For the record, I don’t need a lecture on how Amendments and the U.S Constitution works either. Any change would still take some serious undoing.

Nobody has still answered how you remove hundreds of millions of guns out of circulation, should it ever come the day guns do get outlawed. It will take some doing though.
Because Farage mentioned the Florida shooting?

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Not up to the President to legislate, that’s Congresses job. The President signs passed legislation in to law.
Trump has signed nearly 60 Executive Orders, which set Government Policy and have the power of law.
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Trump has signed nearly 60 Executive Orders, which set Government Policy and have the power of law.
I don't get why Trump is so beholden to the NRA given his supposed wealth. $30m NRA donation should be small change to him.
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The President could do something of he really wanted and wasn't too obsessed with himself.
So could of Obama?
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So could of Obama?
He did what he could with executive actions. He was stopped going further by the Republicans who controlled the house. They love their guns and shooting things.

Trump has done nothing, except pass a law making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns. He's offered prayers though, so that's all good
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The handgun ban (as it presently stands) was, imo, a strange knee jerk response to Dunblane.
You ask "how many maniacs have gone on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK since?" as if the handgun ban had something to do with it but consider this: you can presently still buy a semi-automatic rifle and stick a 30 round mag into it. You can also possess a few thousand rounds of ammunition and as many 30 round mags as you want. Plenty to be getting on with for a killing spree if you were so inclined.
I therefore suspect that the lack of incidents in the UK is down to the difficulty in getting a gun license and stringent controls over owning guns. Nothing to do with banning handguns.
It my have been a bit Knee Jerk. But it did remove a lot of the element of concealment. You stuff a hand gun in your pocket, down the back of you trousers etc, and get into places....like a school....without raising any alarm.

However, if some one is seen walking to a school or just along the street with a rifle/shotgun is going to raise alarm. Other than that agree on your points.

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He did what he could with executive actions. He was stopped going further by the Republicans who controlled the house. They love their guns and shooting things.

Trump has done nothing, except pass a law making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns. He's offered prayers though, so that's all good
Pretty sure at some point he controlled both houses with a decent majority?
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So could of Obama?
Is that a reason to press the pause button on progress?

I'm pretty sure they great inventors, sports people, explorers, scientists, artists and entrepreneurs of this world don't say I won't do it because my predecessors didn't!
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