Brexit discussion

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Wouldn't take any notice of Dyson, his vacuums are expensive 'must haves' that everyone can replicate now for a fraction of the price.

You sure about that as some of the other makes are crap IMO as you get what you pay for l always say.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

Would be no big deal according a leading British businessman and inventor, Sir James Dyson.... He claims Europe is a declining part of world trade....



http://news.sky.com/story/uk-should-...dyson-11034559

No, you're wrong, he's wrong, everyone who disagrees is wrong. The EU is going from strength to strength according to Juncker and his ilk and it's patently obvious. There are no structural problems, no skeletons in the EU cupboard, no potential conflict with Russia. We just need to realise that it's all tickety boo over there and we'd be mad not to stay part of the Brussels fan club. All the problems lie within the UK and which will suffer forever more when we leave their warm, cuddly, generous embrace. Our only hope of salvation is the EU...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

You sure about that as some of the other makes are crap IMO as you get what you pay for l always say.

Usually said by those that have overpaid for a brand name

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

You sure about that as some of the other makes are crap IMO as you get what you pay for l always say.

I wouldn't take any notice of that because Bosch, Miele and Siemens aren't overpriced brand names...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Usually said by those that have overpaid for a brand name

What is your definition of overpaying Mr K?.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

What is your definition of overpaying Mr K?.

Well anything that is the same as another product but has a different name and costs more Den !

Originally Posted by Mr K

Wouldn't take any notice of Dyson, his vacuums are expensive 'must haves' that everyone can replicate now for a fraction of the price.

I trust a successful billionaire who knows the world markets better than you do, I would think it was his duty to sustain his business entity. Besides, if he says Europe trade is in decline, he would know that if he is doing better trade with the Far East. 80 to 90 % is a massive difference to just 12% within the EU.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well anything that is the same as another product but has a different name and costs more Den !

They are not the same. The technology within them is patent protected and Dyson has robustly defended his products from being copied.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by denphone

You sure about that as some of the other makes are crap IMO as you get what you pay for l always say.

I realise this is gradually moving in a non Brexit discussion direction, but seeing as we're discussing hoovers, my experience of (two) Dysons has not been good and you don't get what you pay for with Dyson. Great for the first few months but then you have to take the ruddy complicated things apart on a regular basis to remove all sorts of junk wedged inside them to get any semblance of performance.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

I trust a successful billionaire who knows the world markets better than you do, I would think it was his duty to sustain his business entity. Besides, if he says Europe trade is in decline, he would know that if he is doing better trade with the Far East. 80 to 90 % is a massive difference to just 12% within the EU.

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They are not the same. The technology within them is patent protected and Dyson has robustly defended his products from being copied.

Can only say as i find Mick. Had a Dyson, it broke down just out of warranty. Bought a Vax for the fraction of the price, cleans better and has lasted years.

Originally Posted by daveeb

I realise this is gradually moving in a non Brexit discussion direction, but seeing as we're discussing hoovers, my experience of (two) Dysons has not been good and you don't get what you pay for with Dyson. Great for the first few months but then you have to take the ruddy complicated things apart on a regular basis to remove all sorts of junk wedged inside them to get any semblance of performance.

I see where it is going. Hardline remainers just cannot get behind brexit if they died trying. So they then attempt to mock Dyson products to some how discredit his view on Brexit. Not going to work with me. Dyson is an intelligent guy. A successful entrepreneur.

Bottom line is. We will be better out.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I read that the EU membership fee we pay each year, is equivalent to 7% in a trade tariff fee with the EU, outside customs union.

Once we leave and are outside the customs union, we would expect to be charged and pay around 2.5% in trade tariff revenues. The article said, the membership of the EU, along with it's hefty fee compared paying just 2.5% in revenues, is the biggest case of mis-selling that dwarfs the banking PPI scandal. If I can find the article I will link to it.

I look forward to the link and like others will maintain my healhy sceptical view until such a time.
The most important thing for the UK is service industries which account for 80% of our exports. These require common standards and freedom of movement helps too. Tariffs are less important. Hence this is a key predicament that the UK faces post-Brexit which is currently sitting in David Davis's too-difficult pile.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Can only say as i find Mick. Had a Dyson, it broke down just out of warranty. Bought a Vax for the fraction of the price, cleans better and has lasted years.

Strange because my vax cleaner broke within a few times of using it, it got took right back. Each to their own I guess. None of this talk on product quality nullifies Dysons views on world trade and I said I trust his views on world trade over yours any day.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mick

I see where it is going. Hardline remainers just cannot get behind brexit if they died trying. So they then attempt to mock Dyson products to some how discredit his view on Brexit. Not going to work with me. Dyson is an intelligent guy. A successful entrepreneur.

Bottom line is. We will be better out.

It's got zero to do with Brexit from my perspective ! I didn't start the hoover debate.
I'm just stating my own experience with his hoovers as others had, if you think i have an agenda on this issue then you're getting a bit touchy.
I don't like Vax hoovers for the same reason either and I have no idea what allegiance "Mr Vax" has.

[Mr K]

Can we have a separate vacuum cleaner thread ? There are many issues to discuss, what's wrong with a dustpan and broom for example ?

Originally Posted by daveeb

It's got zero to do with Brexit from my perspective ! I didn't start the hoover debate.
I'm just stating my own experience with his hoovers as others had, if you think i have an agenda on this issue then you're getting a bit touchy.
I don't like Vax hoovers for the same reason either and I have no idea what allegiance "Mr Vax" has.

I did not bring 'hoovers' in to the debate. I brought Sir James Dyson views on Brexit in to this debate. I think it was Mr K who then started his assault on his actual Hoovers.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Can we have a separate vacuum cleaner thread ? There are many issues to discuss, what's wrong with a dustpan and broom for example ?

I prefer the old dust pan and still use them, given I don't have carpets downstairs.